does anyone ever find themselves wondering if a site is rigged?

There is a particular site I've been playing lately where no matter how I play I lose. I've won plenty of money playing on other sites, but this one site has me absolutely cringing every time I showdown. I have top pair, I get shown a set... I have a set, someone catches a straight... I have a straight, shown a flush...etc.

It's so bad that it's just reached a level of uncanny proportions.

Does anyone else ever wonder this, or is this just another example of variance?

p.s. down about 450-500 BBs over a short time.

The main reason you cannot assume an online site is rigged (other than the obvious) is that if you think it's rigged you can't play there. Why on earth would you play someplace you were fairly sure was cheating you? Oh, and start listening to that little voice that is telling you the other guy has the straight or the flush.

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Why on earth would you play someplace you were fairly sure was cheating you?

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Not sure I follow you. Are you implying the fact that they have a big clientele is evidence they probably aren't cheating people?

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Oh, and start listening to that little voice that is telling you the other guy has the straight or the flush.

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I feel I am playing well. A majority of the time I'm getting drawn out on with crap, even after I've bet and raised the whole way.

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Not sure I follow you. Are you implying the fact that they have a big clientele is evidence they probably aren't cheating people?

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if you really think you're being cheated, why play there?
i think that was the point of the response. you have many options available to you, why play at one you don't trust? (even though the debate about online rigging makes it pretty clear that it's highly unlikely that a site would do that in the first place)

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Oh, and start listening to that little voice that is telling you the other guy has the straight or the flush.


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I feel I am playing well. A majority of the time I'm getting drawn out on with crap, even after I've bet and raised the whole way.




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if you bet and raise everything maybe your opponents give you less credit because you are a maniac liable to have anything. also, what kinds of odds are you giving them to chase? they might be correct to chase straight draws after you've juiced up the pot for them.

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Why on earth would you play someplace you were fairly sure was cheating you?


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Not sure I follow you. Are you implying the fact that they have a big clientele is evidence they probably aren't cheating people?

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if you really think you're being cheated, why play there?
i think that was the point of the response. you have many options available to you, why play at one you don't trust? (even though the debate about online rigging makes it pretty clear that it's highly unlikely that a site would do that in the first place)

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Oh, and start listening to that little voice that is telling you the other guy has the straight or the flush.


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I feel I am playing well. A majority of the time I'm getting drawn out on with crap, even after I've bet and raised the whole way.




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if you bet and raise everything maybe your opponents give you less credit because you are a maniac liable to have anything. also, what kinds of odds are you giving them to chase? they might be correct to chase straight draws after you've juiced up the pot for them.

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About not playing there-- that's probably a good simple point that I need to start considering. I'm playing there now because I'm trying to get all my bonus money out of there.

On betting and raising: I don't mean I'm betting and raising any two cards.... I am playing very tight, rather. I just mean I'm not playing good hands slowly.

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Well, when you are losing there are only a few explinations.

1. I am playing badly (the most likely and hardest to accept answer)
2. I am running badly due to variance (the 2nd most likely but hardest to understand answer)
3. The site/game is rigged against me (by far the least likely, but most appealing answer)

As a total aside, is this Paradise Poker at .5/1?

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Well, when you are losing there are only a few explinations.

1. I am playing badly (the most likely and hardest to accept answer)
2. I am running badly due to variance (the 2nd most likely but hardest to understand answer)
3. The site/game is rigged against me (by far the least likely, but most appealing answer)

As a total aside, is this Paradise Poker at .5/1?

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No, Interpoker 1/2 and 2/4

As an example... I just had pocket KKs... some donkey cold-called two raises on the flop with a pair of 8s (He had q-8o). He of course catches a queen and wins.

I wouldn't mention this but it's happening EVERY TIME.

The only time I win with A-A or K-K as a matter of fact is when everybody folds to my raise before the flop (and I'm raising every time). Otherwise I WILL get drawn out on.

I just don't experience this type of 'treatment' at any other site.

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In the situation you just described he has 5 outs to beat you, and thus has a 20% chance of beating your unimproved KK by the river.

That's 1 in 5, not exactly rare.

And people suffer from selective memory when it comes to big pairs.

You should be using PokerTracker and you could objectively see how often your big pairs actually win.

Over hundreds of AA hands, they win 75% of the time for me, which is pretty damn good, but 1 out of 4 they are going down and it still bothers me... such is poker.