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#11
11-14-2005, 06:19 PM
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Re: How\'s this for a house rule??
Yes the moral is, make sure the pots going your way, the waitress can wait , or tell her to put the drink down and come back for the cash in a minute when your of the hand.
Never turn your back when your still "in a hand" 
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#12
11-14-2005, 06:30 PM
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Re: How\'s this for a house rule??
... because the cards were face up on the table, they had been brought into a pile but not sent into the muck.
Gee. Small detail you didn't think was important in your original post.
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#13
11-14-2005, 06:35 PM
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Re: How\'s this for a house rule??
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Hey everybody, I'm a long time lurker, but this is my first post. Just wanted to say how beneficial i've found this site in general. I know no one likes bad beat stories, but i felt compared to share this one. Fortunately, it happened to my friend and not to me. Casino Niagara in Niagara Falls Canada. Game is 1/2 NL. Long story short my friend paired the board on the river to make is full house and the villian had a king high flush (NOT A STRAIGHT FLUSH). My friend, flipped over his cards revealing his hand and turned to grab a drink from the waitress that had been patiently waiting for his hand to finish. When he looked back the dealer had raked the pot to the player with the flush. Obviously, my friend was not impressed and called the floor over. They informed him that it was the player's responsibility to ensure the pot gets raked to the proper player and once the chips have been distributed thats final. He was upset, and very politely asked the guy to split the pot or just give him his money back. This "gentlemen" decided that the $500 pot was that important and left right away. Just wondering if this is a normal house rule as I have never heard of it. Thanks. [/ QUOTE ] Well...most places I play in would be concerned with whether or not your buddy tabled the hand. If he did, then the pot should go to him, regardless of how he reads it. So...no, not a typical house rule. That said, what the villain did afterward was shady, but irrelevant. [/ QUOTE ] Actually the rule that it is a players responsibility to protect his hand is a typical house rule. [/ QUOTE ] I don't dispute that a player must protect his hand, but that rule is not the one in question, it doesn't seem. This seems to be an issue of tabling the winning hand, and the dealer being responsible for correctly assessing the winning hand, not the player leaving his cards unguarded and having them swept into the muck.
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#15
11-14-2005, 06:48 PM
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Re: How\'s this for a house rule??
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I don't dispute that a player must protect his hand, but that rule is not the one in question, it doesn't seem. This seems to be an issue of tabling the winning hand, and the dealer being responsible for correctly assessing the winning hand, not the player leaving his cards unguarded and having them swept into the muck. [/ QUOTE ] When a hand is turned face up the casino shoudl do everything possible to award the pot to the best hand; however, the player still must protect his hand from being taken by the dealer. This is why there is a specific provedure on how to muck the hands. The delaer should turn the losing hand face down in front of the player and slide it into the muck. By turning it down before moving it this gives the player a chance to object while their cards are still in front of them.
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#16
11-14-2005, 06:48 PM
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Re: How\'s this for a house rule??
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... because the cards were face up on the table, they had been brought into a pile but not sent into the muck. Gee. Small detail you didn't think was important in your original post. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] My friend, flipped over his cards revealing his hand [/ QUOTE ]
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#17
11-14-2005, 06:59 PM
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Re: How\'s this for a house rule??
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[ QUOTE ] ... because the cards were face up on the table, they had been brought into a pile but not sent into the muck. Gee. Small detail you didn't think was important in your original post. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] My friend, flipped over his cards revealing his hand [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Nice point. But not really. The implication of the OP was that his friend's hand had been mucked by the dealer.
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#18
11-14-2005, 07:13 PM
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Re: How\'s this for a house rule??
The ruling is correct. I have a feeling your friend will make this mistake again.
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#19
11-14-2005, 07:19 PM
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Re: How\'s this for a house rule??
Somewhat of a bad beat but it just belabors the obvious: make sure, with a winning hand, to scream PAS THE SUGA! as loud as possible as you leap around the room doing some sort of interpretive dance based on the strength of the hand...
like in this case he could have started yelping Boat! BOAT BABY! OOOOOOO-GAH! (foghorn noises) and flapping his arms like a sail. Standard.
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#20
11-14-2005, 07:21 PM
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Re: How\'s this for a house rule??
I'm not sure you can say this ruling is correct. I've been called to rule in this situation and if players not involved in the hand can verify that they saw the winning hand face up on the table then that player is getting the pot. I don't care whose cards are mucked, it is the casino's job to see that the pot gets pushed to the winning hand.
Cards speak and everyone at the table is jointly responsible to see that pots are correctly awarded.
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