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#11
11-12-2005, 08:43 PM
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Re: Semi-common situation with K7s
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Call the raise. Check-call the turn, bet-fold the river unless a scare card has fallen, then check-call the river. I'd like to know if he's willing to bet on the end when it's scary. [/ QUOTE ] Why bet/fold the river after check/calling the turn. If you're going to put a bet in on the river anyway, don't you want to showdown? I'm just asking--not being a jerk. 
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#12
11-12-2005, 09:13 PM
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Re: Semi-common situation with K7s
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[ QUOTE ] Call the raise. Check-call the turn, bet-fold the river unless a scare card has fallen, then check-call the river. I'd like to know if he's willing to bet on the end when it's scary. [/ QUOTE ] Why bet/fold the river after check/calling the turn. If you're going to put a bet in on the river anyway, don't you want to showdown? I'm just asking--not being a jerk. [/ QUOTE ] Because poker is not about getting to the showdown. It would be very hard for him to raise a river donk on a non-scare card unless he has a very good hand. A "very good hand" includes things such as kings that outkick us (be aware of the cards that fell, because some combinations give you chops and you would be better check-calling those). There are a wide range of players who will bet/raise the flop and turn but check behind on the river with medium-strong hands (like a pair of queens), and I want those players to pay off a bet rather than take a free showdown. This is villain's first hand, so you're trying to develop a read without sacrificing lots of EV.
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#13
11-12-2005, 09:40 PM
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Re: Semi-common situation with K7s
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It would be very hard for him to raise a river donk on a non-scare card unless he has a very good hand. A "very good hand" includes things such as kings that outkick us (be aware of the cards that fell, because some combinations give you chops and you would be better check-calling those). There are a wide range of players who will bet/raise the flop and turn but check behind on the river with medium-strong hands (like a pair of queens), and I want those players to pay off a bet rather than take a free showdown. This is villain's first hand, so you're trying to develop a read without sacrificing lots of EV. [/ QUOTE ] WHile I really like this line for this kind of situation, I get worried about not having a read for the opponent, and if he is somewhat maniac/bluffer his river raise can cost us the whole pot. Maybe it is acceptable to bet/call?
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