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Old 11-20-2005, 02:33 AM
casinogosain casinogosain is offline
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Default Two bluff-raise hands (15/30)

<u>Hand #1 : A Turn Bluff-Raise</u>
Villain in this hand is ~28/16 over about 100 hands. He, for some reason, has it in for me, and is calling-2/3-betting from his small blind whenever I raise preflop.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>

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<u>Hand #2 : A River Bluff-Raise</u>
Villain in this hand is ~19/16 and has been 3-betting to shut me out of hands liberally, especially when there is a post in the hand. I've generally had garbage, but I think I might be getting tired of it.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $15.
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO folds, SB calls.

Flop: (7 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>

Thoughts?

-Ash
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Old 11-20-2005, 05:09 AM
BoxLiquid BoxLiquid is offline
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Default Re: Two bluff-raise hands (15/30)

Looks like some advanced plays you're making. I don't know what hand you're trying to represent in the first one. I don't think the bluff-raise on the turn will make a pocket pair fold.

2nd one is a tricky play and I think if the villain is value betting with either a king or a flush he won't drop his hand. The only way to make him fold is if he was bluffing himself on the river.

I'd like to read more opinions on these hands.
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Old 11-20-2005, 06:27 AM
Sintax Sintax is offline
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Default Re: Two bluff-raise hands (15/30)

I think the second hand is just chip dumping. If he has it out for you, there is NO way he is folding anything here; calling is ok if you think don't respect him at all.

The first one is better but you have to know this guy is capable of folding marginal hands. If he completely missed he will probably call then fold on the river to a bet. You won't have to improve to win.
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Old 11-20-2005, 06:54 AM
Richard Berg Richard Berg is offline
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Default Re: Two bluff-raise hands (15/30)

Hand 1: Might work, metagame-dependent.

Hand 2: Utterly unconvincing. If you actually had a big hand (Kx, AA-TT), what's the chance you check behind the turn when the 3rd [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] hits? Villian probably knows it's zero.

Either that, or you're representing precisely AJ -- KJ unlikely, QJ wouldn't 3bet PF, JJ covered above -- not a big enough range to inspire fold equity IMO. Even if Villain bought that exact read it's not necessarily a good thing, since he'll reraise if he "knows" his QQ is good.
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