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Old 12-29-2005, 09:35 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default (55) 2nd pair + gutshot bubble

this is villain's first button-limp. don't remember anything else about him.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB (t980)
Hero (t1720)
UTG (t5010)
Button (t2290)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t400, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (t1000) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
hero?
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:39 PM
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Default Re: (55) 2nd pair + gutshot bubble

check folds?

Who limps in this stage of the game anyway? Crazy
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:40 PM
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Default Re: (55) 2nd pair + gutshot bubble

you absolutely have to check fold here. Button could be limping with a small ace, instead of raising, because of the short stack. Maybe he doesn't want to take risks with say A7. But more importanly you have no room to bet with your left over stack. You have 12xx, it's just not enough to bet and then fold. You have position on the short stack, you're basically a lock for CASH. Check fold.
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:56 PM
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check folds?

Who limps in this stage of the game anyway? Crazy

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Those who want to trap you.
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:04 PM
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Default Re: (55) 2nd pair + gutshot bubble

but its a very very obvious sign of strength

i wouldn't get involved with anything less than 2 pair or a straight AND flush draw

if the villain regularly limped then it would be a different story but as its his first there are obvious alarms going off
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:19 PM
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Default Re: (55) 2nd pair + gutshot bubble

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Button could be limping with a small ace, instead of raising, because of the short stack.

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That would only makes sense if Hero had button significantly covered. This is a donkish button play any way you look at it.

It's not fun, but I agree with the check-folders. Pushing is obviously second-best, but I think it's a distant second.
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:46 PM
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Default Re: (55) 2nd pair + gutshot bubble

Check-fold. Yeah. Ace on board = scary.
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Old 12-29-2005, 11:15 PM
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That would only makes sense if Hero had button significantly covered.

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yeah I guess I could see that.
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Old 12-30-2005, 01:29 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: (55) 2nd pair + gutshot bubble

i pushed, figuring i'd have 9 outs if i got called. in retrospect and after reading the posts, i think check/fold would have been better. getting a-i with a 9-outer sucks.

as it turned out, villain calls with a8o (and i suck out... hehehe).
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Old 12-30-2005, 01:55 AM
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Default Re: (55) 2nd pair + gutshot bubble

If you're going to be this aggro, why not just push pf?

I'm certainly a check/fold guy here. For obvious, non-card, limper reasons.
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