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Old 11-24-2005, 01:44 PM
chekthastak chekthastak is offline
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Default wrap draw, how\'s my play?

Hand #9633236-5896 at Palm Desert (Pot Limit Omaha)
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Started at 24/Nov/05 12:30:45

aces03 is at seat 0 with $25.
allknighter is at seat 1 with $23.75.
AndySHU is at seat 3 with $38.20.
Jwinnie18 is at seat 4 with $16.50.
MooseGirl is at seat 5 with $41.65.
Ratman13 is at seat 6 with $94.25.
chekdastak is at seat 7 with $50.85.
d-pan711 is at seat 8 with $27.55.
nguyenwins is at seat 9 with $23.50.
The button is at seat 8.

nguyenwins posts the small blind of $.25.
aces03 posts the big blind of $.50.

aces03: -- -- -- --
allknighter: -- -- -- --
AndySHU: -- -- -- --
Jwinnie18: -- -- -- --
MooseGirl: -- -- -- --
Ratman13: -- -- -- --
chekdastak: 5h 7d 9d 8h
d-pan711: -- -- -- --
nguyenwins: -- -- -- --


allknighter folds. AndySHU calls. Jwinnie18 folds.
MooseGirl folds. Ratman13 calls. chekdastak calls.
d-pan711 calls. nguyenwins folds. aces03 checks.

Flop (board: Qh 6s 4s):

aces03 checks. AndySHU bets $2.75. Ratman13 folds.
chekdastak raises to $11. d-pan711 folds. aces03
calls. AndySHU calls.

Turn (board: Qh 6s 4s Td):

aces03 goes all-in for $13.50. AndySHU calls.
chekdastak goes all-in for $39.35. AndySHU goes
all-in for $26.70. chekdastak is returned $12.65

River (board: Qh 6s 4s Td Js):
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Old 11-24-2005, 03:00 PM
RoundTower RoundTower is offline
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Default Re: wrap draw, how\'s my play?

You could raise preflop. Probably everyone will tell you not to, but I like to raise these hands.

Because of the two-flush, I probably call on the flop. This seriously devalues the value of your draw and you won't chase away the nut flush draw. If the board pairs on fourth street or another spade comes you can dump the hand.

What are you hoping to achieve by raising on fourth street? Andy won't go away, and his hand is better than yours at the moment. Maybe it sounds very weak but I think the way the action has gone you are best to call both on the flop and on fourth street.

I'm in a contrary mood so I decided to disagree with everything you did. I think I'm right though. The only marginal one is preflop where calling might be objectively better.
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Old 11-25-2005, 02:26 AM
joewatch joewatch is offline
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Default Re: wrap draw, how\'s my play?

I wouldn't count the flushing outs, which would make this a poor drawing hand. I normally fold with this kind of flop, even with a big wrap, as my experience has been that even flat calling is -EV.
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