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Old 08-13-2005, 03:31 AM
fatdave fatdave is offline
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Default Pot-committed stealing vs short-stack: Push or standard raise?

In this hand, I stole the blinds in the SB vs the short-stack BB. I raised 4xBB, which was over half the short-stack's stack. If he had pushed pre-flop, I would have called.

Which is the better play for me:

1) Raise 4xBB (like all my other raises) and call if he goes all in. This play does give me additional post-flop fold equity, if he calls and doesn't hit, but also gives him the opportunity to stop-n-go (if he is aware).

2) Raise all-in. If I plan to call his all-in anyway, should I just set him all-in to begin with? This takes away my post-flop fold equity (as well as his). An all-in raise also looks suspicious when compared to my normal 3-4xBB raise, but really forces him to make a decision.

Example hand:


NL Texas Hold'em
Level:6 Blinds (75/150)

Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: Button ( $500 )
Seat 3: Hero ( $2900 )
Seat 6: BB ( $1260 )
Seat 7: Seat 7 ( $1245 )
Seat 10: Seat 10 ( $2845 )
Seat 8: Seat 8 ( $1185 )
Seat 1: Seat 1 ( $2110 )

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ks 8h ]
Seat 7 folds.
Seat 8 folds.
Seat 10 folds.
Seat 1 folds.
Button folds.
Hero raises [525].
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Old 08-13-2005, 04:08 AM
ZBTHorton ZBTHorton is offline
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Default Re: Pot-committed stealing vs short-stack: Push or standard raise?

Put him all in. MAke him have a better hand
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Old 08-13-2005, 10:16 AM
Exitonly Exitonly is offline
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Default Re: Pot-committed stealing vs short-stack: Push or standard raise?

Well you wouldn't be giving him a chance to use a 'stop and go' ebcause you act first after the flop.

But that said, just push him in. If you're commited for all your chips if he raises you, just get them all in now. you'll have slightly better fold equity, and it's all gonna get in some way or another.
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Old 08-13-2005, 11:01 AM
AlphaWice AlphaWice is offline
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Default Re: Pot-committed stealing vs short-stack: Push or standard raise?

Is this a low limit? If so, you should Stop and Go.

Why?

If you push all in and he calls, then the hand is all in.
If you raise to 500ish and he calls, then push all in, he either folds and you win, or the hand is all in anyway.

Furthermore, his range is weaker with your 500+ if he is a donk.
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