AA, 3 callers, JJ2 flop

betgo · #1 10-22-2005, 12:37 AM

$150 Pearl tournament on Paradise

I know people will say I should have raised more preflop. I probably should have. I was playing extremely tight and was afraid to scare people with a big early position raise. Atleast I think that was what I was thinking. The play was pretty loose at this stage, and probably people didn't notice I was playing tight or care that it was an early position raise. I didn't totally mind getting 3 callers, as there was a big pot, and someone might hit something, hopefully something I was ahead of.

Does the bet on the river mean villain has a J?

Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

Hero (t1470)
MP1 (t1250)
MP2 (t860)
MP3 (t2785)
CO (t1730)
Button (t750)
SB (t1580)
BB (t2555)
UTG (t1870)
UTG+1 (t1620)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of t15.
UTG calls t30, 1 fold, Hero raises to t100, MP1 calls t100, 4 folds, SB (poster) calls t85, BB calls t70, UTG folds.

Flop: (t430) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t200, MP1 folds, SB folds, BB calls t200.

Turn: (t830) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (t830) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t500, Hero ??

benneh · #2 10-22-2005, 12:39 AM

your weak bet on the flop and check on the turn might give villain has the impression that he can take this pot from you. I call and hope to be shown 2 spades or 2nd pair or air. If I see jacks, i'm happy that he plahyed them so poorly.

Exitonly · #3 10-22-2005, 12:39 AM

PF raise is fine, and i think he has other PP or a 9 often enough.

betgo · #4 10-22-2005, 01:10 AM

I called. Villain had QdJd.

I was wondering if I should recognize the river bet as a slow playing pattern. However, I guess he could play a flush draw the same way.

Lost most of my stack on this hand, which probably made me wonder if I messed it up.

betgo · #5 10-22-2005, 01:23 AM

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If I see jacks, i'm happy that he plahyed them so poorly.

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If I didn't misplay this, did villain misplay this?

I don't know if he could have gotten more out of me than he did. I was not happy to see paired face cards flop 4-way.

He probably needed to bet the turn, as I might have a flush draw. Maybe he thought I might have AK/AQ/KQ, and might make a pair.

Should he have lead out on the flop with trips or checkraised?

Exitonly · #6 10-22-2005, 01:24 AM

If he leads this flop, you raise him, he calls, then you both check, then he can value bet the river, and you'd probably call

#7 10-22-2005, 01:29 AM

You betting the flop then checking the turn smells like AK. You tried a CB, got resistance and backed off. I think any hand that has nothing or has a lot makes this bet. Maybe a medium pair checks and hopes you bluff at the pot again?

betgo · #8 10-22-2005, 01:46 AM

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If he leads this flop, you raise him, he calls, then you both check, then he can value bet the river, and you'd probably call

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If he lead out on the flop, I would probably call, but I wouldn't raise. I don't know what someone else would do.

Also, he doesn't know I have a big pair. I could have AQ/AK.

I am not saying leading out is wrong, but he is probably only going to be a called by a decent pp, a flush draw, or if he is way behind. Betting out works better with a set, which is more concealing than trips. If he bet out and the board didn't have a high pair, I would definately raise with an overpair.

If he bet the flop and bet the turn, I would have a hard time not busting, but he might not get much action if I didn't have aces.