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#41
07-06-2005, 02:04 PM
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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
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Why do you assume that top pair has no value? [/ QUOTE ] I don't. I assume it has much reduced value, and must be played cautiously. 
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#42
07-06-2005, 02:13 PM
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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
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All those times the CO is raising with KK-TT, our Ace is good. [/ QUOTE ] Not all those times. The table was described as weak. A weak player is very capable of limping AT, AJ or even AQ and AK.
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#43
07-06-2005, 02:21 PM
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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
Whoever has said things like they are never coldcalling or that this hand is bad for that are wrong IMO. If that same villian were UTG and raised, there were 3 coldcallers in between and you fold A9s on the button you are giving up way too much. Im just leaning towards a fold because of poor relative position.
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#45
07-06-2005, 03:31 PM
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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
A marginal situation for sure. Swinging it to a call for me was the awful-ness and calling tendencies of the limpers. I actually got less action than expected on the actual hand. And. yes, some of that is certainly relative position-related.
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#46
07-06-2005, 08:55 PM
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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
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[ QUOTE ] Why do you assume that top pair has no value? [/ QUOTE ] I don't. I assume it has much reduced value, and must be played cautiously. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] In Hero's case, we are reduced to having just 1 way to win a miltiway pot: with the nut flush. The effectiveness of our top-pair hand is reduced to nearly zero. [/ QUOTE ]
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#47
07-06-2005, 10:11 PM
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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
I hate folding in this spot. Just because he plays tight, does not mean that he doesnt loosen his raising standards in late position. Many players consider me a very tight player, however I will raise from the cutoff in the described situation with 910 suited J10 suited and pocket pairs down to 44. I think you can find a call, or a fold. Hearts call clubs fold spades call diamonds fold.
Three betting makes no sense.
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#48
07-06-2005, 10:26 PM
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Tight players....can loosen up
I think a lot of you guys need to redefine tight player. Tight players don't always need big hands to raise from the cutoff after 3 limpers. I played with poster Fred G Sanford one night at the Borgata and he raised with 22-44 in this spot. As a side note he hit a set each time and punished the limpers [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
Sometimes the tight player will "beat" you to the pot with a hand like KJ s000ted or J9 s000ted. Some tight players will raise with these hands. Sometimes the tight player has position on you by acting first. When Fred G Sanford and I play together we try to switch up position. Sometimes he will sit on my right and have position on me, and sometimes he will to to my left and I have position on him. Just something to ponder when evaluating players.
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