is HighestRB a scam?

[schwza]

i just set up a new account with these guys and got a PM saying this:

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I had certain trackers disabled a few days ago so rakeback could still be offered, however, Party went ahead and disabled all trackers on my affiliate account this morning. I've emailed them to try to come to some sort of agreement but Party has been really trying to crack down on rakeback affiliates which is sad, and in my opinion, they're costing themselves a lot of revenue. Currently, the only thing I can see happening is offering freerolls to players using the MGR generated as the prizepool.

I apologize for not being able to offer you rakeback. I've been offering rakeback privately to a small group since 2004 and didn't think Party would do this to such a long-lasting affiliate.


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blatant lie? is this guy trying to rip me off?

maybe a seperate issue, but i just made a new account for this (and canceled my old one). if i cancel my two-day-old account and make a 3rd account with a new affiliate, is party going to be super pissed?

[GrannyMae]

is party going to be super pissed?

i do not think you will be able to do a 3rd account.

You setup an account after I PM'd you telling you to email me, and NOT setup the account since I ran into a problem. We're not a scam, and as everyone should know Party disables certain affiliates trackers and nothing is certain with Party rakeback. You haven't played on the account, it's not like we're running away with your money. We've actually given all players that signed up with us and played in the past week an extra $50 on top of any rake they generated.

[KaBoom]

Why don't you suggest to your players that they send you a screenshot of PT and work out the RB that way? If your customers don't have PT, buy it for them.

This would probably work great if screenshots could not be edited. I think its every affiliates nightmare to be processing payments and end up short, not knowing who cheated and who's legit. Honest players would get hurt because of this.

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I think its every affiliates nightmare to be processing payments and end up short

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Um, don't send out payments until you have everyones results and make sure they add up? If they don't add up, you can have everyone send their hand histories and do the numbers yourself. If they still don't add up, you can spot check hand histories with Party until you've found the cheat.

Is this a PITA? Yes. But you signed people up with the expectation of getting their RB, and you have an obligation to try and deliver on that promise. If you clearly explain that cheats will eventually get caught and forfeit their rakeback, I think you won't have too much trouble with your players trying to game the system.

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I think its every affiliates nightmare to be processing payments and end up short

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Um, don't send out payments until you have everyones results and make sure they add up? If they don't add up, you can have everyone send their hand histories and do the numbers yourself. If they still don't add up, you can spot check hand histories with Party until you've found the cheat.

Is this a PITA? Yes. But you signed people up with the expectation of getting their RB, and you have an obligation to try and deliver on that promise. If you clearly explain that cheats will eventually get caught and forfeit their rakeback, I think you won't have too much trouble with your players trying to game the system.

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This would be spectacular, but I imagine it requires more work than most affiliates would be willing to do. Very good idea though...

[moondogg]

Even hand histories don't solve the problem. There is also the case of bonuses, which will reduce your MGR, but there will be no evidence of. You may be able to tell if someone over-reports their MGR (beyond what is in their hand histories), but you usually can't tell if someone fails to report that they earned a bonus.

It still leaves you open to a situation where your players are collectively reporting more rakeback than the site is paying you, when you have no ability to track down the discrepency.

You must completely trust your players when using their self-reported stats, or you are just asking for trouble. For any large scale affiliate, this would have to be damn near impossible.

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Um, don't send out payments until you have everyones results and make sure they add up? If they don't add up, you can have everyone send their hand histories and do the numbers yourself. If they still don't add up, you can spot check hand histories with Party until you've found the cheat.

Is this a PITA? Yes. But you signed people up with the expectation of getting their RB, and you have an obligation to try and deliver on that promise. If you clearly explain that cheats will eventually get caught and forfeit their rakeback, I think you won't have too much trouble with your players trying to game the system.

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One problem with this is chargebacks. With PT and histories, you have no way of knowing if there are any chargebacks, not only because of bonuses, but also because of checks not clearing, etc.

[_And1_]

This setup have a flaw, but is doable.

FLAW - person gets caught and forfeit their rakeback, same person to blackmails you (ie, threatens to report your rakeback operation to party (whom will crack it pretty quick)) if you dont pay him/hers rakeback, so you are in lose/lose situation...

So this setup should only be made with trusted persons... that dont cheat you...