folding in a 2.7k pot

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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yes, i do. and i did even more when i was young and impressionable. people who want to learn something need to know who to listen to. listen, mike l. is a big name and his post was worded very strongly. people who don't know any better are bound to take his word as gospel. i believe if i prevented that from happening for even one poster, then my post might be the most helpful in the entire thread.


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Stage 1 of Mission: Save the World now accomplished.

In all seriousness, AJo is right. Not only that, but the response about "I don't play this high" is irrelevant. AJo wasn't saying Mike L. shouldn't be giving strong advice because he plays low stakes-he shouldn't be doing it because he is admittedly new to no-limit so the more analogous disclaimer would be "I don't play too well, but..."

[9cao]

I think this a very close decision. If it truly is a passive table I would expect to see 2 out of these 3 hands from Villain's most of the time:

1) 88 or TT
2) J9
3) KJ or AJ of hearts

Therefore I think you are drawing to 4 outs. Sometimes I guess you will see some crazy hands like AQ, Ax of hearts, or T8 but just because they aren't full stacks doesn't mean they are idiots unless you have a read otherwise. Those few times you are ahead the other two hands have tons of equity.

Therefore, I think you can just assume you have 4 clean outs (balanced by times you have less with times you are ahead) and look at pot odds.

You would need 4.5-1 to make the call and you are getting 2.6-1. I fold here, even if I thought I was ahead as much as 15% of the time.

[pokerponcho]

FISHY CALL

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no way can calling here be awful. If its a fold, its definitely close. I mean just look at the pot odds, we are like 4.2-1 to fill by the river an we're getting almost 3-1...

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You're assuming that there are two players all-in and neither one of them has a Q or a T.

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This type of thinking is bad.

[zombies kill]

im totally surprised on the replies to this hand. theres about a third of the people saying EASY CALL, a third saying EASY FOLD and a third saying REAL CLOSE.

and of course, one changing their mind completely because of what El D said.

interesting thread for once, i like it.

[Yeti]

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interesting thread for once, i like it.

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it isn't interesting, simply because the answer is so obvious. call.

[RikaKazak]

raise the BB the first time, and the way it's played, I think it's a fold, although 3rd player could have a HUGE draw and BB have worse 2 pair, I still think it's a fold, cause you're either CRUSHED, or barely ahead.

You should've raised the BB's bet, especially if knew was such a donk. But given how you played the hand so far, I don't think a case for folding can be made. SB probably doesn't put BB on much of a hand, since he is a donk who could've made that pot-size bet with anything. He doesn't put you on much either,since you didn't raise BB on a highly coordinated board. You pretty much have to call.

[sawseech]

call
sb is far too likely to be protecting and bb is a donk

[9cao]

Can we have some results please?