I hate this fold, thoughts?

[djoyce003]

Villain in this hand is 29/7 or so with high post flop agression (4 or 5). What do you guys think about this fold...with his stats I can't see him calling the raise with anything that has a 2 in it...could he have called the flop bet with 66 or something? Either way I folded, but I can see myself being ahead of a lot of hands he might do this with...when he did it my first thought was that he's semi-bluffing a flush draw that didn't hit on the turn...I just wasn't sure and folded anyway, thoughts?


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($98.81)
Hero ($50.32)
CO ($46.80)
Button ($83.90)
SB ($64.10)
BB ($14)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, CO calls $3.

Turn: ($10.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, CO calls $41.80 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $60.55

[4_2_it]

Well, you represented an ace and villain just told you he didn't care. Unless I've seen him pull this stunt before, I'm folding. What hands other than a bluff are you ahead of? AJ, AT? If villain is this loose, just trap him later.

[djoyce003]

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Well, you represented an ace and villain just told you he didn't care. Unless I've seen him pull this stunt before, I'm folding. What hands other than a bluff are you ahead of? AJ, AT? If villain is this loose, just trap him later.

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well the thing is i'm having a hard time putting him on something. What did a 29/7 player call with perflop that i'm not ahead of? This guy isn't calling raises with j2 offsuit.....I guess i'm just having a tougher than usual time putting him on something here, which is why I think I might have folded the best hand.

[4_2_it]

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Well, you represented an ace and villain just told you he didn't care. Unless I've seen him pull this stunt before, I'm folding. What hands other than a bluff are you ahead of? AJ, AT? If villain is this loose, just trap him later.

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well the thing is i'm having a hard time putting him on something. What did a 29/7 player call with perflop that i'm not ahead of? This guy isn't calling raises with j2 offsuit.....I guess i'm just having a tougher than usual time putting him on something here, which is why I think I might have folded the best hand.

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How many hands do you have on him? A 29/7 is playing any sooted A so I would say A6, 66, AK, AJ, AQ or A2 (in that order) are his most likely holdings. Otherwise he is on a bluff. If he is prone to throw his in his stack to capture pots then wait him out. Why call with a marginal holding.

[djoyce003]

yeah I know..that's why I folded...this feels like one that got away is all...my gut was screaming 'YOU ARE AHEAD' but I folded anyway. Looked like the vintage big turn bluff with a draw.

[pokernose]

I feel like he has AK or AJ here. I don't see him getting overly aggressive with anything that gives him a boat or better by the turn. I would probably fold as well, but it is a tough hand to lay down.

[4_2_it]

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yeah I know..that's why I folded...this feels like one that got away is all...my gut was screaming 'YOU ARE AHEAD' but I folded anyway. Looked like the vintage big turn bluff with a draw.

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Without a read, I think it is a good fold.

For instance, I get 99 in CO (no reads, yet). UTG makes 4x bb raise, I call, SB pushes for $50, UTG pushes for $200 (I cover). I though about it and laid it down. No one improves on the board and 88 beats AJ. Now I have information about these clowns (who turn out to be 45/24 or so) and I leave the table an hour later up almost a buy-in. With a read I would have auto called with 99, but without a read why get into a coin flip at best against two villains.

[pho75]

Consider these points:

How do you think he sees you, good (or weak) enough to fold top pair?

Both your bets could be seen as weak, especially the turn.

A 4-5 post flop aggression is very high.

Most of the time it's just the fish and the preflop LAGS that make those big all-in bets with monsters. A semi-loose aggressive player, like your villian, would usually put in a raise that you coould call, or just call himself.

And last, your gut is screaming at you.

I say call.

[GrunchCan]

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And last, your gut is screaming at you.

I say call.


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I've made these gut-screaming-based calls before, and they are always wrong. I don't see how you can get stacked on this hand with just 1-pair.

[djoyce003]

my turn bet is over 2/3 the pot...how can that be considered "weak"