Create-an-Upset just for fun

[ilya]

Here's a tame one for a start.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=440084
pokenum -h ah kh - ad kd - as ks - ac kc - 2c 7d
Holdem Hi: 850668 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ah Kh 84486 9.93 521650 61.32 244532 28.75 0.171
Ad Kd 65299 7.68 540837 63.58 244532 28.75 0.148
As Ks 84486 9.93 521650 61.32 244532 28.75 0.171
Ac Kc 65442 7.69 540694 63.56 244532 28.75 0.149
2c 7d 306423 36.02 540082 63.49 4163 0.49 0.361

[ilya]

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=453489
pokenum -h ad ah - kd kh - qd qh - ks qc - qs kc - jh jd - th td - js tc - ts jc
Holdem Hi: 278256 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Ah 249510 89.67 25356 9.11 3390 1.22 0.898
Kd Kh 0 0.00 274866 98.78 3390 1.22 0.001
Qd Qh 0 0.00 274866 98.78 3390 1.22 0.001
Ks Qc 2682 0.96 272184 97.82 3390 1.22 0.011
Qs Kc 2682 0.96 272184 97.82 3390 1.22 0.011
Jd Jh 0 0.00 274866 98.78 3390 1.22 0.001
Td Th 60 0.02 274806 98.76 3390 1.22 0.002
Js Tc 30 0.01 254964 91.63 23262 8.36 0.037
Ts Jc 30 0.01 254964 91.63 23262 8.36 0.037

[tallstack]

Here is one showing the down side of 72o. I heard about this way back and can't remember who thought of it. Leading with one card to come against a single opponent and no chance to win outright. It's not like you would be betting this hand, but it has always interested me that you can be heads up and have every card remaining in the deck hurt you.

pokenum -h 7h 2d - 5s 4s -- 6c 6s 3c 3s
Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing 6s 3s 6c 3c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
2d 7h 0 0.00 19 43.18 25 56.82 0.284
5s 4s 19 43.18 0 0.00 25 56.82 0.716

[durron597]

Who says AA is always the favorite preflop?

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=453927
pokenum -h ac ad - 8h 8s - as kc - ah kd - ks qc - kh qd - qs qh - 2c 2d - 3c 3d
Holdem Hi: 278256 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Ad 79140 28.44 196174 70.50 2942 1.06 0.287
8s 8h 81534 29.30 195042 70.09 1680 0.60 0.294
As Kc 2298 0.83 273016 98.12 2942 1.06 0.010
Kd Ah 2298 0.83 273016 98.12 2942 1.06 0.010
Ks Qc 30 0.01 257914 92.69 20312 7.30 0.034
Qd Kh 30 0.01 257914 92.69 20312 7.30 0.034
Qs Qh 0 0.00 276576 99.40 1680 0.60 0.001
2c 2d 40258 14.47 236318 84.93 1680 0.60 0.145
3c 3d 51094 18.36 225482 81.03 1680 0.60 0.184

[Cry Me A River]

What is the simplest situation (ie: Fewest players, pre-flop) where someone is drawing dead?

Difficulty: Make them all playable hands.

I was going to offer this:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=454074
pokenum -h ad ah - ac kd - as kh - kc ks
Holdem Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Ah 1010548 93.05 61988 5.71 13472 1.24 0.934
Ac Kd 11346 1.04 1021974 94.10 52688 4.85 0.032
As Kh 11346 1.04 1021974 94.10 52688 4.85 0.032
Ks Kc 80 0.01 1080144 99.46 5784 0.53 0.001

As I expected the KK hand was DOA. But I still can't figure out a board where KK can win.

- Quads on the board and they're out-kicked.
- Any straight, flush or straight-flush and they're dominated by one of the A hands.
- Trips on the board and they're the low house.

Tie occurs when the board shows a middle straight but I just don't see any way KK wins.

So... anybody?

(Expecting a 'duh' moment right here...)

[Pubknight]

[ QUOTE ]
But I still can't figure out a board where KK can win.
- Any straight, flush or straight-flush and they're dominated by one of the A hands.

Tie occurs when the board shows a middle straight but I just don't see any way KK wins.

So... anybody?

(Expecting a 'duh' moment right here...)

[/ QUOTE ]

Straight flush is the only possibility I can think of.
They couldn't lose a straight flush to one of the Ace hands, as the Ace can't make the straight flush without the King.

[DCIAce]

K-High straight flushes.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=454145
pokenum -h ad ah - ac kd - as kh - kc ks - qc qs
Holdem Hi: 850668 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Ah 632020 74.30 206678 24.30 11970 1.41 0.747
Ac Kd 6967 0.82 818291 96.19 25410 2.99 0.020
As Kh 6967 0.82 818291 96.19 25410 2.99 0.020
Ks Kc 0 0.00 845846 99.43 4822 0.57 0.001
Qs Qc 179304 21.08 666542 78.36 4822 0.57 0.212

That'll clear it up for ya. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[tallstack]

They win king-high straight flushes. eg, with a board of Qs Js Ts 9s x. since there are 40 cards for x in each case this should add up to the 80 wins.

[Cry Me A River]

As promissed....

Dhuh!

[Cry Me A River]

This is fun...!

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=454207
pokenum -h ah ad - ac qs - as qc - qd qh - kc ks - kd kh
Holdem Hi: 658008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Ah 626126 95.15 20414 3.10 11468 1.74 0.956
Qs Ac 6547 0.99 632745 96.16 18716 2.84 0.018
As Qc 6547 0.99 632745 96.16 18716 2.84 0.018
Qd Qh 72 0.01 645868 98.16 12068 1.83 0.005
Ks Kc 0 0.00 653188 99.27 4820 0.73 0.001
Kd Kh 0 0.00 653188 99.27 4820 0.73 0.001


Full table 'o hurt:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=454253
pokenum -h ah ad - ac ts - as tc - td th - jc js - jh jd - kc kd - ks kh - qd qh - qc qs
Holdem Hi: 201376 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Ah 185042 91.89 8850 4.39 7484 3.72 0.928
Ts Ac 1733 0.86 186831 92.78 12812 6.36 0.026
As Tc 1733 0.86 186831 92.78 12812 6.36 0.026
Td Th 56 0.03 193100 95.89 8220 4.08 0.011
Js Jc 0 0.00 198484 98.56 2892 1.44 0.001
Jd Jh 0 0.00 198484 98.56 2892 1.44 0.001
Kc Kd 0 0.00 198484 98.56 2892 1.44 0.001
Ks Kh 0 0.00 198484 98.56 2892 1.44 0.001
Qd Qh 0 0.00 198484 98.56 2892 1.44 0.001
Qs Qc 0 0.00 198484 98.56 2892 1.44 0.001