5/10 How bad did I screw this up?

Emperor · #1 08-03-2005, 07:46 PM

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $7.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 3 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, CO checks, Button bets, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (9.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (17.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: 18.20 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Jh Ah (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins 18.20 BB.

Piiop · #2 08-03-2005, 07:49 PM

You picked a weird time to check-raise.

I would've just bet on the flop. Equity.

I guess the river bet isn't bad since the pot's so big and you check-raised the turn.

toss · #3 08-03-2005, 08:17 PM

Your turn raise boggles the mind. I also don't think we'll be folding Button and SB enough to make betting the river profitable.

And I'd just lead out on the flop.

Emperor · #4 08-03-2005, 08:22 PM

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Your turn raise boggles the mind. I also don't think we'll be folding Button and SB enough to make betting the river profitable.

And I'd just lead out on the flop.

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How is the reason we lead out on the flop here, (which I agree with), differen't than the reason we raise the turn?

You do both because you will win this pot WAY more than your fair share. Right?

shant · #5 08-03-2005, 08:24 PM

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Your turn raise boggles the mind.

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I thought I read on here that if you pull off this turn checkraise in a situation where at least 4 people will call the raise, you're doing it for value. I've never tried this concept, and my numbers may be off, but I remember something like that. Maybe a math guy can chime in.

Entity · #6 08-03-2005, 08:28 PM

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Your turn raise boggles the mind.

I thought I read on here that if you pull off this turn checkraise in a situation where at least 4 people will call the raise, you're doing it for value. I've never tried this concept, and my numbers may be off, but I remember something like that. Maybe a math guy can chime in.

5 callers. You're 4.1:1 to hit. But yeah, this is an odd spot for a checkraise.

Rob

Jake (The Snake) · #7 08-03-2005, 08:34 PM

Yeah, one problem here is that there is no way to guarentee everybody will call (they didn't in the actual hand for example).

Also, c/ring the turn cuts down on your implied odds on the river no?

toss · #8 08-03-2005, 08:43 PM

Those were the two rreasons I didn't like checkraising. Maybe boggle the minds was too strong a phrase.

hicherbie · #9 08-03-2005, 08:50 PM

i agree with those reasons AND it boggles my mind.

bobbyi · #10 08-03-2005, 08:52 PM

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You're 4.1:1 to hit.

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Are you assuming are ace outs are good to get this number? Based on the flush draw outs alone, I don't see how we can be winning that often because it certainly looks like the hearts we need are tied up in the other people's hands.