Standard line?

prrthd · #1 05-26-2005, 11:30 AM

I do this alot so I just want to make sure I'm on the right track. The Button was pretty much an unknown, but he seemed to be playing alot of hands so far.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

jackdaniels · #2 05-26-2005, 11:40 AM

I don't think you can call the river here. Everything beats you. If he had the flush draw, he got it. If he had a better Ace, he got it. If he had a King - he's got you.

This is why it is so difficult to play OOP. FWIW - I call anything but a diamond/paint card on the river as that completes the only draws that I can safely put villain on (if I am ahead here at all). Aside from that, you are really hoping for a split pot here against a weaker A - but are likely facing AJ/AQ.

kickingking · #3 05-26-2005, 12:06 PM

i would have folded on the turn here.what did he call your raise with?you 3 bet the flop and he still raises the turn?unless he is a maniac you must be beat?

prrthd · #4 05-26-2005, 12:17 PM

Good point on the river call. I will have to watch that.

Nick Royale · #5 05-26-2005, 12:20 PM

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I don't think you can call the river here. Everything beats you. If he had the flush draw, he got it. If he had a better Ace, he got it. If he had a King - he's got you.

This is why it is so difficult to play OOP. FWIW - I call anything but a diamond/paint card on the river as that completes the only draws that I can safely put villain on (if I am ahead here at all). Aside from that, you are really hoping for a split pot here against a weaker A - but are likely facing AJ/AQ.

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I think we should fold the turn. Hero raised prelop, 3-betted the flop and bets out on the turn. If he's able to raise with a weak ace, a gut-shot or a flushdraw he deserves the pot.

jackdaniels · #6 05-26-2005, 12:36 PM

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I think we should fold the turn. Hero raised prelop, 3-betted the flop and bets out on the turn. If he's able to raise with a weak ace, a gut-shot or a flushdraw he deserves the pot.

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I agree that the turn raise is very bad for hero here. Maybe fold the turn, not sure. Alternative is 3-bet turn and bet out non-flush/paint river (if you think you are ahead) - this is very aggressive though and dependant on opponents ability to lay down hands on river... Or ofcourse, check/call turn and bet out river (representing the flush ourselves).

I could see all these plays working sometimes, but I think most of the time we are beat here and have to lay down to turn raise.

prrthd · #7 05-26-2005, 12:39 PM

I think I just found a leak in my game, I call this every time. Thanks for pointing this out.

Nick Royale · #8 05-26-2005, 12:51 PM

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Alternative is 3-bet turn and bet out non-flush/paint river (if you think you are ahead)

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This would be spewing IMO. You'll even get a K to slow down by 3-betting the turn. Most often we'll be drawing to 2 outs on this turn so I'll fold.