online single table tournaments vs limit ring games.

[emanon]

My question is what hourly rate/ standard deviation differences are seen between the two formats?

I'm looking for both theoretical answers, and people's empirical results.

Thanks all.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

For LIMIT, stick with the ring games, the tourneys are too much of a crap shoot. If you play NL well, the tourneys can be very lucrative for SNGs, and so can the side games.

al

[Deadbuddha]

i'm actually testing this at this point, so far i like tourney games, specially head to head games, nl holdem.
ring games are nice too but take more time. to each his own though. i found out that i suck at controlling my money in ring games, hence tourneys are better for me.

[Scooterdoo]

Where do you find NL side-games and one-on-one NL games. I've been playng the SnG games on Party for a while and really enjoy them and am doing pretty well. Also, I live in LA but haven't ventured to any of the clubs yet but plan on doing so soon (I'm only about 15 minutes from Hustler and not that far from the others). Do these casinos have NL games?

- Scot

[Al_Capone_Junior]

I was speaking strictly about internet, not live. I am no where near LA, so I can't say. My current location forces me to play strictly internet, tho I have played much live in years past. I doubt NL will be common, but I'm sure you can find it somewhere in LA. It's not going to be for small stakes tho like the internet.

Internet ring games are quite juicy, as are the small tourneys, with small meaning $100 and less buy-in tourneys. The ring games are often juicy even up to the larger blind games, like 2-4. Party's NL is especially juicy.

al

[Copernicus]

I believe the hourly rate in one and two table SnGs online is comparable to the equivalent ring game, but the variance is far far lower for a good, tight tournament player.

For example, in a two table 30+3 SnG at Stars a 60% in the money rate is very achieveable. If the average finish is between 2d and 3rd that is net return of .6*140-33 or $51 per tourney. Since each tourney takes a around an hour thats around or better than $50/hour. Lets call that the win rate of a very good 10/20 player. The maximum amount at risk for the SnG player is $33/hour. Whats an acceptable standard deviation for a ring game player? Id be shocked if its less than 500/hour.

[C M Burns]

As someone mentioned the limit sng are more of a crap shoot. but what about places where the limits don't go up so fast. Party and paradise go 10 hand per round but at stars and ub I believe it's 12 minutes which usually give u much more than 10 hands. do you think the limit sit and go's would be beatable at these levels?

[Bozeman]

"If the average finish is between 2d and 3rd that is net return of .6*140-33 or $51 per tourney"

Even if your average finish is 2, this is only $21 per tourney, not the number you miscalculated, which is almost that of 1st 60% of the time.

Craig

[maplepig]

he's probably talking about $100 buyin game, no one can get $51 per game from $30 SnG unless he can see everyone's hole card.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

They are all beatable, but the more of a crap shoot they are, the longer it will take for skill to have an effect. And it could be quite a long time if they're very unfavorably structured.

al