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Play Along...... street by street - The FLOP
The original post can be found here
The general consensus seemed to just want to limp here, although one player advocated pushing. Since the majority says limp, we'll limp. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx BB (t1630) UTG (t5535) UTG+1 (t4905) MP1 (t1190) Hero (t1480) CO (t1430) Button (t1960) SB (t1285) Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. 2 folds, MP1 calls t100, Hero calls t100, 1 fold</font>, Button calls t100, 1 fold</font>, BB checks. Flop: (t450) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players) BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero ??? OK.... nice flop... we now have 1380 left in chips, a 450 pot, and the 2 players in front of us have checked..... now what are opinions and reasons from everyone? Does anyone think this is a situation where you want to build a pot, or do you want to try and keep the pot small? Either way, explain your reasons and how you will go about playing the hand now. |
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Re: Play Along...... street by street - The FLOP
I bet about T200 here. While it's too small a bet, if no one has anything they want to play with, it's as effective in picking up the pot as anything else.
The question is whether, on this draw-heavy board, you want to bet more to punish the draws. My personal sense is that it's hard to push out a big draw on the flop, and I'd prefer to drop the hammer on the turn. If you bet big here and get called, there are a lot of turn cards that will leave you with no idea whether you're still ahead, and it will cost you a lot of money to continue being aggressive. Keeping the pot small now leaves you lots of room to maneuver on the next street. |
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Re: Play Along...... street by street - The FLOP
I would bet out 200 chips. I've got to think that I've got the best hand right now and the only person that's getting odds to call my bet would be a flush draw. (Is that right or do I have my pot odds wrong?)
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Re: Play Along...... street by street - The FLOP
I don't understand something as of late that I've seen a lot in these forums. Everyone keeps advocating not to bet big on this draw heavy board because "too many bad cards will come on the turn that will ruin your hand". That is EXACTLY why you want to be big and make the draws pay.
Think about it this way. Everytime you make a big bet here like on this example of about 300-350 range it is incorrect for any draw to call. If they call GOOD that is what you want for your opponent to make a mistake. Yes sometimes they will draw out on you but in the LONG RUN this play is +EV. Stop being scared of being drawn out on. You will never get anywhere playing that way. I bet 300-350 on this board. On a side note the only real threat is probably MP1 as BB has some random hand as far as you know. |
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Re: Play Along...... street by street - The FLOP
thank you. put much more elogantly than i
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Re: Play Along...... street by street - The FLOP
I bet out about 400 and try to take it right there. I don't want to price the Flush/straight draws in and I feel confident that my hand is best. With a few limpers there is a good chance someone is playing Axs in hearts. Make them pay to see the turn. Likewise the guy holding QJx.
I don't see how you can check this through and give up a free card. Too many cards hurt you. Hotrod |
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Re: Play Along...... street by street - The FLOP
Should I read the original post? I bet 350.
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Re: Play Along...... street by street - The FLOP
The reason betting 200 here is a good idea is that if you bet more, a good draw may push into you, forcing you to make a decision for your chips as to whether your TPGK is good vs his possible draw/set/two pair/perhaps even better kicker. Betting 200 he is more inclined to call on the flop, and when he calls the chance of him completing his draw on the turn is much lower than the chance of him -not- completing it, and when you put the real pressure on him on the turn, he will be more inclined to give up on it. If his draw connects, you can get away from the hand much easier, and it was likely that if he (anyone) had a good draw they weren't going to give up on it either way, with a big bet from you inducing a push from them. A bet of 200 here will also take the pot down just as often as a somewhat higher bet if no one has anything worth continuing with. This is once again a spot where controlling the pot ends up making you more chips while keeping it easier for you to get away from the hand.
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Re: Play Along...... street by street - The FLOP
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you here. A bet of 300-350 does not induce a push here often enough to warrant a smaller bet. The typical internet player is just not sophisticated enough to push this draw enough times for me to want a smaller bet. A smaller bet here is just asking to get outdrawned.
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Re: Play Along...... street by street - The FLOP
I bet 425 and go from there, for reasons already articulated by the "punish the draws" crowd.
Edit: to elaborate.... a small bet welcomes draws in, and if button calls with a draw or a T, then that prices in the other two behind us with as little as bottom pair. If it goes to the turn multi-way in a fairly big pot, then it will be very difficult to assess what cards are scare cards, and it will be uncomfortable to put our stack in (only reasonable turn bet considering the pot size) unless a K or non-heart Q hits the turn. |
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