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#1
09-11-2005, 09:14 PM
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QQ-hand.
Villian is 14/2.5 after 350 hands and well above average in post-flop aggression.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter UTG+2 ($426.36) MP1 ($150.90) Hero ($99.75) MP3 ($35.17) CO ($81) Button ($102) SB ($110.55) BB ($100) UTG ($121.85) UTG+1 ($205.57) Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50. <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB (poster) calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: ($9) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks. Turn: ($9) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10. River: ($29) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10. Final Pot: $49 Standard? P.S. The river call is very marginally +EV, if +EV at all IMO. 
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#4
09-11-2005, 09:24 PM
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Re: QQ-hand.
Pergesu posted a similar hand in the one table tournaments forum. He also checed the flop and called a smallish turn bet. He got a free showdown, though
Do you think that by not betting the flop you are going to see a showdown cheaper? How do you play this hand differently without the flush draw? I ask, because, I would have pot bet the flop and probably bet the same amount on the turn and took the showdown if given.
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#5
09-11-2005, 09:25 PM
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Re: QQ-hand.
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Why not bet the flop here? [/ QUOTE ] A ton of reasons: 1) If I am check-raised, I either: a) have to fold w/ what is likely to be a good draw b) have to call w/ no idea if I am drawing dead or not. 2) This is not a hand I want to invest alot in. By checking I am delaying the betting 1 street and hence keeping the pot small. 3) I am not likely to have to protect my hand. 4) Since he is quite aggressive, he will certainly bet the turn w/ any 2 since I showed weakness on the flop. There are probably some reasons I have left out. Basically one can put it like this, why should I bet the flop?
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#6
09-11-2005, 09:25 PM
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Re: QQ-hand.
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Yes, standard. I wouldn't like calling the river, but it's probably correct. [/ QUOTE ] Believe me, I was not jumping up and down of joy as I called.
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#8
09-11-2005, 09:28 PM
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Re: QQ-hand.
What's the advantage to checking the flop? I'm thinking that it must be because this is a way ahead, way behind situation and betting the flop would scare the former away. That sort of makes sense, but there are a number of draws there. You are hoping to get a smallish semi-bluff from them?
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#9
09-11-2005, 09:30 PM
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Re: QQ-hand.
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What's the advantage to checking the flop? I'm thinking that it must be because this is a way ahead, way behind situation and betting the flop would scare the former away. That sort of makes sense, but there are a number of draws there. You are hoping to get a smallish semi-bluff from them? [/ QUOTE ] See my previous post. Also, if anyone is drawing, it is likely to be me.
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#10
09-11-2005, 09:30 PM
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Re: QQ-hand.
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why not bet the flop here? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A ton of reasons: 1) If I am check-raised, I either: a) have to fold w/ what is likely to be a good draw b) have to call w/ no idea if I am drawing dead or not. 2) This is not a hand I want to invest alot in. By checking I am delaying the betting 1 street and hence keeping the pot small. 3) I am not likely to have to protect my hand. 4) Since he is quite aggressive, he will certainly bet the turn w/ any 2 since I showed weakness on the flop. There are probably some reasons I have left out. Basically one can put it like this, why should I bet the flop? [/ QUOTE ] I'm bookmarking this. Thanks!
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