Stratosphere taking money from their dealers?

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I was at the Strat yesterday playing some pokah and noticed a dealer put a couple bucks into a box at the counter. I then asked what that was for, and was informed that management has now adopted a policy that all dealers are required to "tip out" the floorman 1.50/hour whether they deal or not. That is 15.00/day as they work 10 hour shifts. 60/wk and 3000/yr. They were told they had no choice. Ok, figure 10 dealers or more on, thats 150.00+ that the floormen get as a bonus to their salary? Whats up with that?

[Acesover8s]

This sort of thing is common in other tip-driven industries.

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I haved worked in this business for 9 years and never once see a "forced tip" to someone that is salaried and making about 190/day (assumed over 10 hours by industry average). Well I wont be tipping at the counter anymore when they cash me out.

[Randy_Refeld]

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I haved worked in this business for 9 years and never once see a "forced tip" to someone that is salaried and making about 190/day (assumed over 10 hours by industry average). Well I wont be tipping at the counter anymore when they cash me out.

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That guy makeing the 190, 200 or whatever a shift is still making less than he would be dealing. Fair or not a system liek this makes it easier to get the poeple you would wnat to work on the floor to actually do it. A lot of palces you see the weakest dealers become floormen because they are the only ones willing to do it (it is too much of a cut in pay for the better dealers).

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That guy makeing the 190, 200 or whatever a shift is still making less than he would be dealing.

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Cry me a [censored] river. Omfg, poor him. Wait, I thought they have to accept the position of floorman when offered a promotion or turn it down. OH yes, that would be their own fault and they know what they are getting into. That's a pisspoor excuse. Simple, no one is forcing the players to tip me, you aren't forcing me to tip UPWARDS to well paid SALARIED employees!

And yes, I've tipped our floormen many times and they usually hand it back saying that they dont want to take anything from their dealers. If one finds me a chip for my collection, I give them a buck usually.

[Michael O'Malley]

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That guy makeing the 190, 200 or whatever a shift is still making less than he would be dealing.

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Cry me a [censored] river. Omfg, poor him.

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That’s what I usually say to the dealers that whine about tipping out.


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Wait, I thought they have to accept the position of floorman when offered a promotion or turn it down. OH yes, that would be their own fault and they know what they are getting into. That's a pisspoor excuse.

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No, it really isn’t. If dealers did not tip out floorpeople, there would be no qualified floor. Without qualified floor, you dealers would have no games to deal.

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Simple, no one is forcing the players to tip me, you aren't forcing me to tip UPWARDS to well paid SALARIED employees!

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I assume you work at one of the smaller rooms in town? Don’t ever expect to work in a “real” poker room with that attitude.

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And yes, I've tipped our floormen many times and they usually hand it back saying that they dont want to take anything from their dealers. If one finds me a chip for my collection, I give them a buck usually.

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That’s just plain weird. Do you deal at Circus Circus?
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[BigBaitsim (milo)]

When I worked as a waiter, I was expected to tip the bartender and the busboys. I generally did.

When I was a busboy (age 16), I got tipped by the waitresses three times in six months. BTW, busboy is a pretty shitty job.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

This is a pretty destructive practice, whether it's "industry standard" or not. I don't tip out the floor when I deal, and I don't expect to be tipped out when I'm the floor. I think it's total bullchit. I wouldn't be surprised to see the chit hit the fan over this sooner or later.

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[Luv2DriveTT]

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This is a pretty destructive practice, whether it's "industry standard" or not. I don't tip out the floor when I deal, and I don't expect to be tipped out when I'm the floor. I think it's total bullshit. I wouldn't be surprised to see the chit hit the fan over this sooner or later.

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I know you guys hate it, but I actually like it both from a management perspective, and from a staff perspective. What I don't like is that the tip out is forced even when the dealer is not working, thats just wrong.

I used to be a parter in a nightclub in a former life, The waitresses tip out the bartender. The bartender tips out the barback, and everyone tips out the buss boys. Floor manager makes a small skim off the tips. Everyone is happy and everyone is encouraged to make the customers happy so everyone profits.

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[Al_Capone_Junior]

It should be noted that in rooms which do use this (IMO destructive) practice, $5 a day is the "standard" not $15.

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