WA/WB multiway?

MrEngenic · #1 11-21-2005, 12:21 PM

I have no read on the preflop raiser, the rest of the bunch are loose passive.
Is this really a good line? I'm very unsure of how I played this.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, SB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, SB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (10 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets

@bsolute_luck · #2 11-21-2005, 12:27 PM

with all those goofies calling in the middle, i'm c/r the flop or donking the turn. i really don't want that checked through and i'd like to charge any straight draws more to play since i can't really protect my hand against them.

the river is interesting only if you can figure to fold to a raise. i think you're WA more than WB.

MrEngenic · #3 11-21-2005, 12:43 PM

They are not loose enough to have straight draws here though.

#4 11-21-2005, 06:43 PM

how about AT, A9, A8, A7, A6 etc? thin the field!

krimson · #5 11-21-2005, 12:59 PM

I would c/c this river. If I havn't folded pre-river, then I want to see this showdown. b/c'ing seems a bit spewey if you put him on a standard range (AK-AT, AA, KK, it seems unlikely he would bet this turn with anything else), and b/f'ing at this point vs an unknown could be a huge mistake.

I think with reads we could b/c or b/f this river, but i'd rather pass up a tiny bit ev here for the safer line (plus information from the showdown).

Also, If I thought I could get rid of MP1 with a raise on the flop, I would probably raise the flop.

Seether · #6 11-21-2005, 07:08 PM

Why does everyone think hes behind? Its a CO raise after 1 limper.... I really think a checkraise on the flop would be the best decision for this hand if you feel the CO will always fire a continuation bet. I feel that you are fairly likely to have the best hand and might as well find out early as well as get money in the pot for when you do have the best hand.
If you cr the flop you can fold the turn UI or if you get raised on the turn its an easy toss as well.
Given that you decided to puss out on the flop and turn I think your river bet out is probably the best idea. The board is a pretty uncoordinated board, so I feel that the only thing that will raise you are sets and maybe aces up, so I feel that folding to the river raise is not a bad idea if they are loose passive as you say.

damaniac · #7 11-21-2005, 07:25 PM

The fear isn't that he's neceessarily behind. The fear is that when he's ahead, he'll simply get the raiser to fold a big pair that has 2 outs against him, when he'd much rather keep him betting with only 9% or equity. Likewise, he's liable to just get 3-bet or called then popped on the turn when behind a bigger ace. Hence the standard WA/WB line, the only real question is the presence of everyone else, since you'd like people to fold gutshots and pairs on this board.

sthief09 · #8 11-21-2005, 01:04 PM

if you're goign to bet, the flop and turn are a lot better choices than the river. once he bets the turn, it's likely he has you beat

MrEngenic · #9 11-21-2005, 05:13 PM

Everybody thinks differently about the correct line in this hand apparently. Can we get some more discussion going? I think hands where there is no consensus right away are the most interesting.

hobbsmann · #10 11-21-2005, 05:17 PM

I would c/c the flop and donk bet the turn with the intention of calling a raise and check/folding the river or just to continue betting if called.