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Old 09-14-2005, 08:24 AM
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Default Re: A8o in the BB HU

I agree with Danenania, while a fold definitely makes sense, the player remains relatively unknown and gettting 9:1 that the way he played his hand doesn't make sense, I call.
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Old 09-14-2005, 08:54 AM
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Default Re: A8o in the BB HU

I can make this fold if i have a little bit more info on the player, like W$@SD/ASB or by just watching how often(or not) he bluff raises turns or raises them without top pair(or with the flush draw, which happens insanely often). Without that i think the general 30/60'er gets out of line often enough and steals with a wide enough range that i end up calling down, although i'm unsure if its correct with the K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] river.
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Old 09-14-2005, 09:14 AM
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Default Re: A8o in the BB HU

Doesn't his line make perfect sense for alot of hands that beat you? Like, a big pair, some suited Ax [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. only thing that you beat, would be if he semibluffed you with T9, but since he wasn't awfully aggressive, its unlikely.
But 9-1 is compelling. I'd probably call this, but im not sure since you're beaten by alot of hands
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Old 09-14-2005, 09:20 AM
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Default Re: A8o in the BB HU

I think his play makes perfect sense having an 8 with a worse kicker, remember he openraised from the button so his range could be very wide. No way for him to know you flopped TPTK when you did not 3-bet preflop. The river is ugly (the worst possible card?) but getting 9-1 I think a call is fairly easy.
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Old 09-14-2005, 01:31 PM
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Default Re: A8o in the BB HU

A pretty tight player will never raise 45o PF, raise the flop and then raise the turn again with just a draw.

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Old 09-14-2005, 01:34 PM
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Default Re: A8o in the BB HU

I folded because a lot of tight players play 77-JJ this way or a flush draw. IMO I could only beat Q8 or K8. No other hand that I beat plays this way I think.

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Old 09-14-2005, 01:41 PM
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Default Re: A8o in the BB HU

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I folded because a lot of tight players play 77-JJ this way or a flush draw. IMO I could only beat Q8 or K8. No other hand that I beat plays this way I think.

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J8, T8, 98 you think don't raise PF, or don't raise turn? i could certainly see a lot of TAGs raising these from the button, and if they thought you were agro raisin on the turn as well.
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Old 09-14-2005, 01:43 PM
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Default Re: A8o in the BB HU

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I forgot to tell but this is 30/60, not 5/10 [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. Does that change your decision?

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wouldn't a 30/60 player be more likely to make a play on you here than a 5/10 player?
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Old 09-14-2005, 03:14 PM
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Default Re: A8o in the BB HU

J8, T8, 98... preflop yes, flop yes, turn no.

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Old 09-14-2005, 03:16 PM
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Default Re: A8o in the BB HU

I've seen more crazy stuff at 5/10 than at 30/60 but maybe I haven't played enough at 30/60.

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