Easy River Value bet vs 54/33/1.4.... and Den?

[MAxx]

Hockey, you might be absolutely correct. The thing is that you just say blankety blank is easy.....and blankety blank those that disagree are wrong. If this is so fundamentally easy, shouldn't it be fairly easy to give a good reason or explaination.

[etizzle]

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Not to be too harsh

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LOL

[hockey1]

What are the possible hands he's played the way he has through the turn? Which of those are you ahead of on the river? Which are you behind? What's the likelihood he has hands falling into each of those two groups? Of the hands you're ahead of, how many of those would call a bet?

Easy.

[MAxx]

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What are the possible hands he's played the way he has through the turn? <font color="blue"> Extremely wide range </font> Which of those are you ahead of on the river? <font color="blue"> everything but fullboats </font> Which are you behind? <font color="blue"> da boats </font> What's the likelihood he has hands falling into each of those two groups <font color="blue"> Well, it's certainly possible he has a boat...but he's just been checkcallin all the way with a wide range. He could be drawin, underpairing, Aceing, or getting his boat filled. He's been real quiet though. </font> ? Of the hands you're ahead of, how many of those would call a bet? <font color="blue"> Assuming he hasn't played KK or JJ weird and then scared or forgets his underpairs are now discounted, it pretty much leaves Aces and bluff attempts</font> <font color="blue"> I think i would have heard from a Q earlier and a T likely bets our river instead of cr... so I think I have that going for me. If guy doesnt call my river bet, does that make it any less of a river bet just because he didnt have an Ace? To Answer your question dircectly..... I get value from 3 aces and beat if he's holding 4 other cards. He's not given much indication he has one of the 4 other cards yet. I'm thinking it's still a good value bet, albeit thin. </font>

Easy. <font color="blue"> Thanks for expanding your answer, but I think your approach is a little too dissmissive. Stuff aint always easy, even if you'd like it to be. </font>

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[Danenania]

Yo,

Bet and call a raise.

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Of the hands you're ahead of, how many of those would call a bet?


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EVERY SINGLE ONE. All of them. Villain will hope for a chop much of the time, he doesnt even need cards.

[etizzle]

You're calling a raise here? I think if he bluffs he bets out.

[Danenania]

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You're calling a raise here? I think if he bluffs he bets out.

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So few made hands make sense for him that if he raises I think there's a strong chance it's a bluff.

[wheelz]

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So few made hands make sense for him that if he raises I think there's a strong chance it's a bluff.

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I want to bet-fold, but you're absolutely right, it's kinda tough to fold this one

[wheelz]

I realize that at the limits you play this might be a check, but you have to realize that at 10/20 6-max you will get called by some disgusting hands on the river