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OT: did i collude?
You guys consider this collusion? it's edited to the relevant parts.
Table '15321412 1' Seat #9 is the button Seat 4: I´maCRIMINAL (7310 in chips) Seat 6: gentleman55 (1480 in chips) Seat 9: Angel713 (4710 in chips) I´maCRIMINAL: posts the ante 50 gentleman55: posts the ante 50 Angel713: posts the ante 50 I´maCRIMINAL: posts small blind 300 gentleman55: posts big blind 600 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to gentleman55 [Qd Ks] Angel713: folds gentleman55 said, "i got a good hand" I´maCRIMINAL: folds gentleman55 collected 750 from pot gentleman55: shows [Qd Ks] (high card King) *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 750 | Rake 0 Seat 4: I´maCRIMINAL (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 6: gentleman55 (big blind) collected (750) Seat 9: Angel713 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) few hands later: vel IX (300/600) - 2005/11/19 - 09:26:41 (ET) Table '15321412 1' Seat #9 is the button Seat 4: I´maCRIMINAL (2475 in chips) Seat 6: gentleman55 (1705 in chips) Seat 9: Angel713 (9320 in chips) 09:26:41 I´maCRIMINAL: posts the ante 50 09:26:41 gentleman55: posts the ante 50 09:26:41 Angel713: posts the ante 50 09:26:41 Moving Bets to Pot 09:26:41 I´maCRIMINAL: posts small blind 300 09:26:41 gentleman55: posts big blind 600 09:26:41 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to I´maCRIMINAL [Js Ad] 09:26:41 Dealt to gentleman55 [Tc As] 09:26:42 I´maCRIMINAL said, "phu" 09:26:44 Angel713: folds 09:26:45 gentleman55 said, "oh sweet" 09:26:47 gentleman55 said, "i got a good hand" 09:26:49 gentleman55 said, "u better fold" 09:26:50 gentleman55 said, "ace" 09:26:51 gentleman55 said, "ten" 09:26:56 gentleman55 said, "i'l lshow" 09:26:58 gentleman55 said, "i'll show" 09:26:59 I´maCRIMINAL said, "Aj" 09:27:01 gentleman55 said, "i promise" 09:27:01 I´maCRIMINAL: raises 1825 to 2425 and is all-in 09:27:03 gentleman55: calls 1055 and is all-in 09:27:03 Moving Bets to Pot 09:27:07 gentleman55 said, "lol" 09:27:07 *** FLOP *** [4c Qc 9h] 09:27:09 gentleman55 said, "nh" 09:27:13 *** TURN *** [4c Qc 9h] [5h] 09:27:15 I´maCRIMINAL said, "lol" 09:27:16 gentleman55 said, "ten" 09:27:16 *** RIVER *** [4c Qc 9h 5h] [2h] 09:27:18 gentleman55 said, "aw rigged" 09:27:19 *** SHOW DOWN *** I´maCRIMINAL: shows [Js Ad] (high card Ace) 09:27:19 gentleman55: shows [Tc As] (high card Ace - lower kicker) 09:27:20 gentleman55 said, "gg" 09:27:22 I´maCRIMINAL collected 3460 from pot 09:27:23 I´maCRIMINAL said, "gg" *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 3460 | Rake 0 Board [4c Qc 9h 5h 2h] Seat 4: I´maCRIMINAL (small blind) showed [Js Ad] and won (3460) with high card Ace Seat 6: gentleman55 (big blind) showed [Tc As] and lost with high card Ace |
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Re: OT: did i collude?
I wouldn't consider it collusion, exactly, since you're apparently not planning on getting anything for it. It's still awfully bad poker etiquette (at a minimum) to reveal your hole cards during play (don't know if it's necessarily against the rules for a specific site, and don't especially feel like checking).
I'd probably be annoyed at the first hand chatter, too, even though in that case you didn't actually reveal your hand. Not annoyed enough to complain to anyone, though (and I assume you're posting this because someone at the table whined at some point). |
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Re: OT: did i collude?
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It's still awfully bad poker etiquette (at a minimum) to reveal your hole cards during play ( [/ QUOTE ] even if it's heads up? and besides how in the world do they know if i'm telling the truth or not? i could have 27o and be lying my ass of to get a fold. |
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Re: OT: did i collude?
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[ QUOTE ] It's still awfully bad poker etiquette (at a minimum) to reveal your hole cards during play ( [/ QUOTE ] even if it's heads up? and besides how in the world do they know if i'm telling the truth or not? i could have 27o and be lying my ass of to get a fold. [/ QUOTE ] OK, I looked it up. (Stars TOS) 3.3 COLLUSION. Collusion between players by sharing hole cards or by other methods is stricly forbidden. Trouble is, they don't expressly define collusion in the TOS, though they do say this elsewhere: Collusion is a form of cheating in which two or more players signal their holdings or otherwise form a cheating partnership to the detriment of the other players at the same table I think there's an argument to made that you're not colluding because you're not (intentionally) working with the other player to the detriment of others in the game, and it would be difficult for the big stack to actually be losing equity in this particular hand. If someone ratted you out to Stars support, however, I'd expect a warning (probably polite) from them, though. |
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Re: OT: did i collude?
If collusion is sharing your holecards, then this is not colluding. Telling someone what you have is not sharing your holecards because there's no possible way that your opponent could know whether or not you're telling the truth.
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Re: OT: did i collude?
This actually isn't true.
If you have what you say you have, then you are breaking the rules. If you are lying, then you are okay. |
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Re: OT: did i collude?
I don't really get it. You sound as if you want hands worse than AT to fold. Why?
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Re: OT: did i collude?
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I don't really get it. You sound as if you want hands worse than AT to fold. Why? [/ QUOTE ] Cause i don't feel like getting sucked out on against a 40/60 when a fold by him doubles my stack from 1000 to 1900. |
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Re: OT: did i collude?
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[ QUOTE ] I don't really get it. You sound as if you want hands worse than AT to fold. Why? [/ QUOTE ] Cause i don't feel like getting sucked out on against a 40/60 when a fold by him doubles my stack from 1000 to 1900. [/ QUOTE ] You need to learn about poker. |
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Re: OT: did i collude?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't really get it. You sound as if you want hands worse than AT to fold. Why? [/ QUOTE ] Cause i don't feel like getting sucked out on against a 40/60 when a fold by him doubles my stack from 1000 to 1900. [/ QUOTE ] You need to learn about poker. [/ QUOTE ] if he folds my stack goes to 1900, his to 2100. he's button next hand, but afterwards he'll be facing the BB and if i don't push into him big stack might. it just seems to me if he folds a weaker hand say Q5o instead of pushing, i have better equity in the tourney, based on current stacks and position. maybe i'm wrong though. |
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