3 Preflop Folds w/QQ or KK-please chime in

[FoxwoodsFiend]

All these hands are 10/20 NL

Hand 1: hero has KK on button. Villain has 2K I cover (24/4/2 over 440 hands) raises to 85, hero raises to 300, villain raises to 1000, hero folds.

Hand 2: hero (2k)has QQ in BB. UTG raises to 75, UTG+1 calls, villain (same villain from last hand, still covers) raises to 400, folded to hero who folds.

Hand 3: hero has QQ in CO. Different villain with 1K minraises UTG, hero raises to 150, villain raises to 400, hero folds.

Are any of these foolds hard? I didn't think so but anytime I dump QQ/KK twice in one session I worry I'm getting to be too paranoid.

[thabadguy]

Assuming villain's are unknown...i dont see a problem with any of the 3
in hand 2, what do u do with KK?

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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Assuming villain's are unknown...i dont see a problem with any of the 3
in hand 2, what do u do with KK?

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It feels so weak to say it, but given this action I probably still fold. Villain is so tight I can't see him raising with AK here and QQ is also unlikely. Plus there's still a UTG raiser and a caller behind me.

[thabadguy]

Well you didnt mention he is really tight, if that is the case, then all 3 are no brainers i think.

[yvesaint]

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Well you didnt mention he is really tight, if that is the case, then all 3 are no brainers i think.

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4% pfr is pretty tight i think

edit: of course, this doesnt really tell if his re-raise range includes AK/QQ

edit #2: also im gonna assume this is fullr ing?

[thabadguy]

Dont use PT, sorry.

[AceHiStation]

I think this is definately weak, but not really bad. Hand 1 is the only one I have a real problem with. I pay him off here everytime unless I have a real real good read. I've only folded KK preflop once online, and I don't go out of my way to look for spots to do so.
-Ace

[NajdorfDefense]

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All these hands are 10/20 NL

Hand 1: hero has KK on button. Villain has 2K I cover (24/4/2 over 440 hands) raises to 85, hero raises to 300, villain raises to 1000, hero folds.

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I think I threw up in my mouth. Someone playing 24/2.5 would be pfr w/ AA, KK, QQ, and AK only. KK is a large favorite against that range.

Your villain is playing 40% more *worse* hands than that!

QQ, I can agree, if you feel he's that tight then fold, fine.

Naj

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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All these hands are 10/20 NL

Hand 1: hero has KK on button. Villain has 2K I cover (24/4/2 over 440 hands) raises to 85, hero raises to 300, villain raises to 1000, hero folds.

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I think I threw up in my mouth. Someone playing 24/2.5 would be pfr w/ AA, KK, QQ, and AK only. KK is a large favorite against that range.

Your villain is playing 40% more *worse* hands than that!

QQ, I can agree, if you feel he's that tight then fold, fine.

Naj

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So you've given me a not at all interesting analysis of his UTG pfr standards. Now please tell me if you still think that a 22/4 has AK in his RERAISE HALF HIS STACK standard. I don't even see him doing this with QQ. Anyway, he raises with 40% worse hands than me, but I definitely think the re-reraise helps us narrow hish and range significantly.

[montechristo]

i think these are all very good folds. folds I wish I could make. I likey.