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Old 09-18-2005, 04:18 PM
aK13 aK13 is offline
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Live 8/16 hand 9 handed -- Table is loose as always and mixed with passive/aggressive play

I'm MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

2 limp (who obviously know nothing about position), I raise, Button cold-calls, and the blinds can't let their chips go to waste so they call, limpers call.

6 to the flop for 12SB: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB bets, 1 limper calls, 1 limper drops, I call....
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Old 09-18-2005, 04:27 PM
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I do the same on such a coordinated flop.
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Old 09-18-2005, 04:39 PM
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Are you planning on raising a blank on the turn? That's what I would do, just not sure if it's right.
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Old 09-18-2005, 04:53 PM
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No I think you have to raise for information/value. You have no idea where you are plus you need to make other draws pay and maybe make this pot heads up. By calling you are playing way to passively I think.
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Old 09-18-2005, 05:20 PM
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If you're planning on raising a safe turn card I like it. Some players might get agressive with JQ, or a flush draw, and raising here won't let you know where you stand. The turn raise will either get you the information you need or get your raise in when your equity is much higher.
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Old 09-18-2005, 05:28 PM
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No I think this is a clear case of calling the flop and raising a safe turn. The flop is scary and the turn can completely destroy your hand.
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Old 09-18-2005, 09:07 PM
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i like it, the pot is fairly big, and your not protecting your hand with a raise here, you equity will be higher and their pot odds will be lower on a safe turn
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Old 09-18-2005, 09:22 PM
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Raising doesn't do much here. Maybe you get the SB out of here. The last thing you want is three-bet though on the flop. I like calling and raising a non straight card on the turn.
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Old 09-18-2005, 09:24 PM
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No I think you have to raise for information/value. You have no idea where you are plus you need to make other draws pay and maybe make this pot heads up. By calling you are playing way to passively I think.

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This is wrong in a lot of ways.
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Old 09-18-2005, 10:08 PM
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No I think you have to raise for information/value. You have no idea where you are plus you need to make other draws pay and maybe make this pot heads up. By calling you are playing way to passively I think.

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I like to spew,
because I dont know what to do.
What Im saying, trying to bust this rhyme,
that this aint the time
to pay a dime
when the Turn can put u behind.
You have top pair, but u put in another bet here,
common knowledge says
its possible you gonna have to bear
the pain of a re-raise
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