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12-04-2005, 05:32 PM
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What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
I have no idea how to proceed, I'm new to the table.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx UTG ($148.19) MP ($93.50) CO ($77.70) Button ($49.10) SB ($85.15) Hero ($102.40) Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $1.50, Hero calls $1. Flop: ($8) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, UTG calls $6, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $20</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???</font> 
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#2
12-04-2005, 05:50 PM
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Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
I generally pop it up to like $65 here with the intention of calling an all-in, but I think that I play these types of big draws too aggressively and it's one of my leaks.
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12-04-2005, 05:58 PM
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Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
push
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12-04-2005, 05:58 PM
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Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
I'm probably folding here.
In my younger days I would get crazy agressive with these pair+flush draws and run into 2 pair and sets alot. Also, UTG looks to be drawing and could easily have two of your spades.
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#6
12-04-2005, 05:59 PM
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Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
Poooooooooooooooooosh.
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#7
12-04-2005, 06:01 PM
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Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
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Playing huge draws aggressively is hardly a leak. [/ QUOTE ] top pair and non-nut flush draw? I don't think this is a huge draw IMO.
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#8
12-04-2005, 06:07 PM
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Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
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push [/ QUOTE ] This is what I've been doing lately but I"m starting to question the wisdom of this. We have no fold equity against two pair or a set and we are behind both. It's a different situations with combination straight/flush draws. But top pair weak kicker+flush draw isn't all its cracked up to be. Just my opinion. About the best thing we can hope for EV wise is that he folds TPTK. Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8s 4s 9d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Js 9s 471 47.58 507 51.21 12 1.21 0.482 Ah 9h 507 51.21 471 47.58 12 1.21 0.518 Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8s 4s 9d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Js 9s 459 46.36 526 53.13 5 0.51 0.466 9h 8h 526 53.13 459 46.36 5 0.51 0.534 Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8s 4s 9d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Js 9s 316 31.92 674 68.08 0 0.00 0.319 4c 4d 674 68.08 316 31.92 0 0.00 0.681
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#9
12-04-2005, 06:32 PM
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Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
I think we are overplaying these hands in general. He isnt doing this w/out 2pair or better a vast majority of the time, and we are against those hands (barely). This play would work better at higher limits because it looks so much like a set but I think here at low limits we are just coinflipping our stacks away. That beind said, is it ok to just call and see a turn.
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#10
12-04-2005, 06:41 PM
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Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
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Playing huge draws aggressively is hardly a leak. [/ QUOTE ] I think it ceratinly is when you're in a situation where, very often, your 2 pair and trip outs are no good.
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