Just tell me how bad I am!

wray · #1 06-07-2005, 06:16 PM

Game #2170866325 starts.

#Game No : 2170866325
***** Hand History for Game 2170866325 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, June 07, 18:04:27 EDT 2005
Table Table 37292 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: montezuma222 ( $27.15 )
Seat 3: barbitrurate ( $23.25 )
Seat 4: baw333 ( $39.9 )
Seat 6: MSB75007 ( $25 )
Seat 7: DCskaman ( $26.42 )
Seat 8: Howardowosso ( $34.1 )
Seat 10: SuisMaBete ( $32.66 )
Seat 5: NicksDad1970 ( $25.5 )
Seat 9: djnate2001 ( $24.75 )
Seat 2: stefluv1104 ( $14.75 )
djnate2001 posts small blind [$0.1].
SuisMaBete posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NicksDad1970 [ As Ts ]
montezuma222 folds.
stefluv1104 folds.
barbitrurate calls [$0.25].
baw333 calls [$0.25].
NicksDad1970 raises [$1].
MSB75007 folds.
DCskaman calls [$1].
Howardowosso calls [$1].
djnate2001 calls [$0.9].
SuisMaBete folds.
barbitrurate calls [$0.75].
baw333 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 5s, 7h ]
djnate2001 checks.
barbitrurate checks.
NicksDad1970 bets [$1.5].
DCskaman folds.
Howardowosso calls [$1.5].
djnate2001 folds.
barbitrurate calls [$1.5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
barbitrurate checks.
NicksDad1970 bets [$4].
Howardowosso calls [$4].
barbitrurate calls [$4].
** Dealing River ** [ 4d ]
barbitrurate checks.
NicksDad1970 bets [$10].
Howardowosso raises [$20].
barbitrurate folds.
NicksDad1970 is all-In [$9]
Howardowosso shows [ 7s, Qs ] three of a kind, sevens.
NicksDad1970 doesn't show [ As, Ts ] two pairs, tens and sevens.
Howardowosso wins $1 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, sevens.
Howardowosso wins $57 from the main pot with three of a kind, sevens.
Game #2170876853 starts.

I know bad beats happen and me calling the raise on the river wasn't the smartest thing in the world. But what should I have done differently?

I mean Q7 to the bets I was making was terrible right?

MarzH05 · #2 06-07-2005, 06:23 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($27.15)
UTG+1 ($14.75)
UTG+2 ($23.25)
MP1 ($39.9)
Hero ($25.5)
MP3 ($25)
CO ($26.42)
Button ($34.1)
SB ($24.75)
BB ($32.66)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, SB (poster) calls $0.90, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.75, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($5.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $1.5, CO folds, Button calls $1.50, SB folds, UTG+2 calls $1.50.

Turn: ($10) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $4, Button calls $4, UTG+2 calls $4.

River: ($22) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)

Final Pot: $22

Results in white below: 
UTG+2 doesn't show.
Hero has As Ts (two pair, tens and sevens).
Button has 7s Qs (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: Button wins $22. 

With those limpers, you have to raise more pf. Especially in 25NL, or everyone is going to call. Also, the flop bet was way too low.

imported_anacardo · #3 06-07-2005, 06:54 PM

Preflop is not terrible; ATs is a fine speculative hand, so it's fine to raise slightly less than one might normally to build the pot a little. You should recognize, however, that with limpers this raise usually not enough to limit the field & cut odds; 4xBB + 1BB / limper is considered standard.

Preflop bet is inexcusable. You have a vulnerable hand on a draw-heavy board that badly needs both protection & to find out where it's at. I'd bet between 3/4 and 100% of the pot here. Villian made a dubious play preflop, but played his hand correctly postflop, and you let him. This sort of thing happens all the time at low stakes, so you MUST bet the flop like you mean it.

KKrAAAzy88s · #4 06-07-2005, 09:08 PM

say he makes the 3/4 - full pot bet on the flop and gets called by villian. what is the play on the turn?

poboy · #5 06-07-2005, 09:09 PM

This isn't a bad beat, this is a misplayed hand. First thing I'd do differently is fold preflop, ATs is a marginal drawing hand and needs position. If for some reason I didn't fold I'm betting the pot on this flop and 2/3 on the turn. If it made it to the river most of my money would be in anyhow so I think you'd have to see it through.

wray · #6 06-08-2005, 01:29 PM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($27.15)
UTG+1 ($14.75)
UTG+2 ($23.25)
MP1 ($39.9)
Hero ($25.5)
MP3 ($25)
CO ($26.42)
Button ($34.1)
SB ($24.75)
BB ($32.66)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, SB (poster) calls $0.90, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.75, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($5.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $1.5, CO folds, Button calls $1.50, SB folds, UTG+2 calls $1.50.

Turn: ($10) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $4, Button calls $4, UTG+2 calls $4.

River: ($22) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)

Final Pot: $22

Results in white below: 
UTG+2 doesn't show.
Hero has As Ts (two pair, tens and sevens).
Button has 7s Qs (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: Button wins $22. 

With those limpers, you have to raise more pf. Especially in 25NL, or everyone is going to call. Also, the flop bet was way too low.

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Thanks for converting and I appreciate the advice and totally agree.

wray · #7 06-08-2005, 01:34 PM

I appreciate all the help. I agree I should have raised it more on the flop. I think mixing it up really helps. If I was a great player I wouldn't ask for advice but I'm obviously not.....I still don't think A-10 is too bad of a hand to play. I agree typically you raise with higher hands in early positions. But I can't become too predictable. I think that kind of a flop is exactly what I was looking for, right? So I should have bet about 4 on the flop?

amoeba · #8 06-08-2005, 02:38 PM

bet more on the flop,

check the river.

poboy · #9 06-08-2005, 05:40 PM

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I appreciate all the help. I agree I should have raised it more on the flop. I think mixing it up really helps. If I was a great player I wouldn't ask for advice but I'm obviously not.....

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I didn't imply that you were a bad player, just that this hand was poorly played. Feel free to ask for all the advice you want, we're all here to learn and ask questions.

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I still don't think A-10 is too bad of a hand to play.

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You're right ATs is not a bad hand to play. It is much much easier to play with position though. Playing a hand
like AT from OOP, you will frequently find yourself with tough decisions to make.

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I agree typically you raise with higher hands in early positions. But I can't become too predictable.

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Absolutely. If pf raise was designed to mix it up I like it. If it's your standard line , I don't like it so much.

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I think that kind of a flop is exactly what I was looking for, right? So I should have bet about 4 on the flop?

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Well it's not a horrible flop, but it's far from being a great flop. I would probably bet full pot or close to it, but thats because I always bet that way whether I have a hand or not. Any bet 2/3 the pot or more should be fine though. JMO

wray · #10 06-09-2005, 09:37 AM

Once again thanks for the help.