The Grand is grand.

[wray]

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You missed bets on your slowplay of top set (QQ).

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LOL, I may have ..... were you there or are you going by my account?

My account may have been a little off but those other two were doing so much betting and raising I liked being the sly one. There was only one hand that could have beat me and I knew he didn't have that.

[Randy_Refeld]

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Many people rip the Grand dealers but they are usually very nice and good dealers. Ahmad is my fav


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There are some good people left at the Grand. As far as the daeling quality if you have never played where they have truly good dealers than the Grand's dealers are fine. The biggest issue at the Grand is the the floor staff/ management is unfamiliar with the rules of poker and how they do things in other locations, so if theere is a dispute at the table you may get a horrible ruling. Also they are unable to protect the integrity of the game because they don't understand why things are done a certain way. I will give one quick example. When a dealer calls for a fill (needs more chips), they normally hand it to the chip runner who counts it; it is fast everyone is happy. The correct way to do this is to count it out on the table between hands and give it to the chip runer. Most people never give this a second thought, after all it isn't their money so why should they care. The reason it shoudl be counted on the table is to show the players that the same amount that leaves the table comes back to the table. Again this seems like not a big deal at all, but imagine this scenerio. A dealer and chip runner are stealing money; that delaer slides chips from the pot into the rack. He calls for a fill, hands the chip runner $120 and says "bring me $100 in white;" they just stole $20 off the table. Is this common? No. Does it happen? Well there is a reason that procedures are what they are. In a well run poker room procedures are in place to protect the players so you can play poker and not worry too much about this stuff. At the Grand they ignore these procedures becasue they do not understand why things are done a certain way.

Randy Refeld

[wray]

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Many people rip the Grand dealers but they are usually very nice and good dealers. Ahmad is my fav


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There are some good people left at the Grand. As far as the daeling quality if you have never played where they have truly good dealers than the Grand's dealers are fine. The biggest issue at the Grand is the the floor staff/ management is unfamiliar with the rules of poker and how they do things in other locations, so if theere is a dispute at the table you may get a horrible ruling. Also they are unable to protect the integrity of the game because they don't understand why things are done a certain way. I will give one quick example. When a dealer calls for a fill (needs more chips), they normally hand it to the chip runner who counts it; it is fast everyone is happy. The correct way to do this is to count it out on the table between hands and give it to the chip runer. Most people never give this a second thought, after all it isn't their money so why should they care. The reason it shoudl be counted on the table is to show the players that the same amount that leaves the table comes back to the table. Again this seems like not a big deal at all, but imagine this scenerio. A dealer and chip runner are stealing money; that delaer slides chips from the pot into the rack. He calls for a fill, hands the chip runner $120 and says "bring me $100 in white;" they just stole $20 off the table. Is this common? No. Does it happen? Well there is a reason that procedures are what they are. In a well run poker room procedures are in place to protect the players so you can play poker and not worry too much about this stuff. At the Grand they ignore these procedures becasue they do not understand why things are done a certain way.

Randy Refeld

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You're obviously experienced and must be accurate. I may be naive or just plain don't pay attention. I've played at the Bellagio, Horseshoe, Orleans, Gold Strike, Grand and (scary) Hollywood.

As far as my grading the dealer I probably don't look for the right things.

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I don't remember seeing you. I was in the back room on table 13. From about 730 - midnight.

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I was also in the back on 11 in the pink chip game until it broke around midnight. I was going to jump in the 10/20 game but it broke soon after, so I played 4/8 with a bunch of drunk college kids that stole about 10BB from me by making expert plays such as going four bets preflop with 47s against my AKs. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I finally went to take a nap around 4:00 AM and they were still there when I came back at 9:30.

[wray]

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I don't remember seeing you. I was in the back room on table 13. From about 730 - midnight.

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I was also in the back on 11 in the pink chip game until it broke around midnight. I was going to jump in the 10/20 game but it broke soon after, so I played 4/8 with a bunch of drunk college kids that stole about 10BB from me by making expert plays such as going four bets preflop with 47s against my AKs. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I finally went to take a nap around 4:00 AM and they were still there when I came back at 9:30.

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I remember the game you were at. How does that game compare to the 4-8? I was thinking about moving up to the 10-20 game but everyone says how that's as loose as the 4-8.

[tylerdurden]

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I remember the game you were at. How does that game compare to the 4-8? I was thinking about moving up to the 10-20 game but everyone says how that's as loose as the 4-8.

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I've played the pink chip game there a few times, and it's usually just a tiny bit tighter than the 4/8, but Friday night it was noticably tighter and just slightly more aggressive.

Friday night we usually had three or occasionally four to the flop. Saturday morning the game started up around 11:00 or so and it was looser than friday night but still tighter than the other times I've played it, more often four or five to the flop. Most of the 4/8 games I've played at the grand are 7 or 8 to the flop 75% of the time. There's probably 1.5-2 times as many preflop raises in the pink game, though I find it gets capped preflop less often than the 4/8 (once someone fires out a raise in the 4/8, someone else invariably shoots back and up it goes).