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Old 04-02-2005, 03:54 AM
MichaelC MichaelC is offline
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Last night I watched some old tourneys and a couple of them had "The Mouth" on the final tables and I was wondering how he's doing. I knwo he had a problem with the law and ended up in jail for 9 months(I think that's how long he was supposed to be in).

Sometimes I can't stand the guy......I hope he grows up some and gets back to playing good poker.

I often wonder about guys like him though. I wonder how good he'd be if he wasn't berating other players? I've only seen him play on TV so maybe he's only made a couple scenes and that was all that was shown.

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I wrote a book about high-stakes poker and Mike Matusow was one of my sources. We became friends last year, so what I tell you is colored by that, but if I didn't believe it, I never would have become friends with him:

1. Mike had a drug problem a few years ago. He admitted it to me and has been very candid in other places about it. Dumb, lack of self-control, too much too soon, whatever. Then he quit.

2. Another poker player whose name I won't mention got into serious trouble with the police. To keep himself out of jail, he said something like "Mike Matusow is tight with every big drug dealer in Vegas." Mike, seriously, was too nice a guy even to badmouth the guy who (falsely) ratted him out, so I'm 2d or 3d hand on this. In fact, Mike was a life-of-the-party type who bought a lot used a lot, gave away a lot. But he had practically zero drug contacts, and was clean by now.

3. The cops believed the guy, so they assigned an undercover cop to Mike: get to be friends with him (something that is incredibly easy to do with Mike) and get him to introduce you to all the Vegas drug kingpins.

4. The problem was there were never any drug kingpins, and even if there were, Mike was out of drug using. The police wasted months and months and months. So to salvage the operation, the cop, who had by now become a close friend of Mike's said he had some mob friends coming to town and he'd look terrible if he couldn't fix them up with some drugs. Could Mike, as a favor, bail him out? So Mike called up someone, get the drugs, and gave them to his buddy, who arrested him.

5. It was stupid of Mike to ever use drugs, and stupid to do that kind of favor to someone, but I believe his mistakes were mitigated by having been set up in such a dirty way. They could have sent him to prison for 20-30 years and offered him 6 months right before trial, so how strong do you think they thought their case was.

Mike is a wonderful guy and a flawed human being. As far as his tournament behavior, part of that is his lack of control, part is self-promotion (encouraged big-time by the TV people, but definitely originating with him), and part was his screwed up situation in 2004. He is responsible for the words coming out of his mouth, but with the prosecution hanging over his head at the WSOP and a week from going to a very rough jail for six months at the Aruba event, he put unbelievable pressure on himself to grab the brass ring.

He gets out next week, right before the Five Star, and the last time I saw him, he told me he was pretty much walking out of jail and into the tournament. Everybody is accountable for what they do, but they also deserve to be judged by the totality of the circumstances, and also on direct experience.

He's not entitled to a free pass, but if you say, (a) he did some really stupid things, (b) he talks too much, (c) he's a really nice guy to people who know him, (d) he's a very talented poker player, and (e) he's a work in progress, so let's see what he does with this hand, then you'll have given him all he deserves.

Sorry if I got too preachy.

MC
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Old 04-02-2005, 04:13 AM
augie00 augie00 is offline
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Sorry if I got too preachy.


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Nah. This is great info! It's nice to have the real story straight from a friend of Mike's.
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Old 04-02-2005, 04:13 AM
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If that story is true, I wouldn't even call him flawed, just human.

A lot of people have gotten into the party lifestyle and used drugs.

And the genuinely good hearted people who come into that lifestyle would try to help a friend out of a potentially dangerous situation by doing something that while illegal hurts absolutely no one (in this particular situation, not trying to start a debate.)

That is just rough luck for Mike.
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Old 04-02-2005, 05:45 AM
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He was very candid about his drug issues on the Beyond The felt documentary, got the impression he isnt the only one wrapped up (past or present) in drugs.
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Old 04-02-2005, 02:26 PM
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He was very candid about his drug issues on the Beyond The felt documentary, got the impression he isnt the only one wrapped up (past or present) in drugs.

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I think Layne stated that he had a bunch of blow problems himself. I think it has a lot to do with how the late 90s and eraly 00s in that those who had lots of $$$ lived it up big, even after the tech bubble burst. Mike's situation proves how much addiction can grip you even when your trying to do the right thing
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Old 04-02-2005, 02:33 PM
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i watched layne flack, high as a kite, RUN OVER a table at last years wsop. it was without a doubt the most entertaining session i've ever spent railbirding...he was masterful. his chips were littered with gum wrappers (he went through an entire pack every hour or so), and he was two fisting drinks as fast as he could get them. playing many hands blind until the turn or even river, he was still destroying this game.

i've read recently that he cleaned up literally weeks after this and is stone cold sober now...what i'm curious about is whether or not he'll be better or worse now. ditto for mike the mouth. good luck to each...
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Old 04-02-2005, 02:42 PM
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I think I read that Dan Negreanu paid for Layne's rehab. 60k or so.
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Old 04-03-2005, 03:13 AM
SoftcoreRevolt SoftcoreRevolt is offline
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Now after the story above, we must wonder if it was out of kindness, or out of fear that Layne would reveal the secret that cocaine makes you a poker god.
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Old 04-03-2005, 09:05 AM
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Thanks for that, I figured after I heard of his bust, that his actions at the WSOP were due being on coke, it certainly was easy to believe explaination.

What's Hellmouth's excuse? I heard he's banned from the Rio for kicking a hole in the wall and tossing a chair after getting AA cracked by KK.

That to me just screams: addict and sure a few other words. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

>TW<
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Old 04-03-2005, 09:44 AM
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Mike Craig, thank you for your post. It was very insightful and informative. It's really sad that cops would stoop so low just to make a small bust. By the way, Layne talked a lot about his drug problems when CardPlayer did a feature article on him a few issues back.
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