pbdrunks on pstars is a clown

pfkaok · #1 10-26-2005, 03:39 AM

well. i think he's a good player, and his status on the yearly TLB probably suggests that he is. but he is a tool. after being busted in the rebuy he was furiously telling me how stupid my play was, how it was "the gayest play ever",ect...

anyways. i thought it was a pretty easy play, b/c i thought BB would not push without something really good, then i could fold and be fine. and dude, if you're a 2+2er, i do'nt care how good you play, GROW up, b/c you are VERY CLASSLESS

here it is:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t16000 (8 handed) converter

Button (t207548)
Hero (t311630)
BB (t432682)
UTG (t444452)
UTG+1 (t80259)
MP1 (t266068)
MP2 (t434896)
CO (t40609)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, CO raises to t39809, 1 fold, Hero raises to t96000, 1 fold.

Flop: (t140609) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t140609) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t140609) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t140609

#2 10-26-2005, 03:42 AM

easy play, retarded beration. nh.

MeanGreenTT · #3 10-26-2005, 01:49 PM

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so are you raising any 2 cards here to isolate?

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Hell, if Q5o ain't any 2, I don't know what is [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] But seriously, what's the cutoff then for taking this line?

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easy play, retarded beration. nh.

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ok, I'm probably the biggest donkey luckbox on this board but.... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

With blinds at T16k the pushers range is HUGE but what does the hero actually think he's ahead of? I watched a player call an all-in last night 'cause he, "thought he was tryin to steal." Oh yeah, really? Well if that's the case, did you think your crap hand was really ahead of his crap stealing hand?

Anyway, I guess I just don't see the play here.

The only case I can see is that the hero has a stack to make the play and can knock out a player. When (lol) he loses the hand, he'll not've taken a big hit to his stack but I still don't see an isolation play being more correct than a fold here.

Exitonly · #4 10-26-2005, 02:31 PM

well the reason it's a call is because of the pott odds, the guy is really shortt, so you're getting close to 2:1, so it's profitable even if you're an underdog in the hand. You don't have to be ahead, to want to play.

nath · #5 10-26-2005, 03:52 PM

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Hell, if Q5o ain't any 2, I don't know what is [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] But seriously, what's the cutoff then for taking this line?

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Trash. Q high isn't trash; it has some potential and hero has no reason to expect he is dominated here.

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ok, I'm probably the biggest donkey luckbox on this board but.... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

With blinds at T16k the pushers range is HUGE but what does the hero actually think he's ahead of?

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Suited (and unsuited) connectors and one gappers all the way from JT on down, among others. It's close for a lot of other pushing hands-- even lots of the Ax and Kx hands-- and if the raise knocks the big blind out, hero suddenly has pretty nice odds-- better than 2 to 1, so he doesn't have to strictly "be ahead" to make this play work.

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The only case I can see is that the hero has a stack to make the play and can knock out a player. When (lol) he loses the hand, he'll not've taken a big hit to his stack but I still don't see an isolation play being more correct than a fold here.

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Hero is only putting about 10% of his stack at risk. How small does that percentage have to be to justify the play, in your mind?
If the BB woke up with a monster that would suck, but that's the risk you take-- that's rare enough to make the play worthwhile.
Creating-- and creatively finding-- favorable gambles is an underrated part of tournament strategy.

Exitonly · #6 10-26-2005, 03:58 PM

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Hero is only putting about 10% of his stack at risk

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actually he's putting 1/3 his stack at risk.. BB is still to act. Granted, it's not a big risk, but it's somethign to think about.

pfkaok · #7 10-26-2005, 06:38 PM

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Hell, if Q5o ain't any 2, I don't know what is But seriously, what's the cutoff then for taking this line?

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Q5 is actually pretty low on my list. Q2 i might have, but would'nt have liked it as much. J7o, J5s or so i think would be good enough, and T8o, 98o, maybe 87s. i don't know really, but somewhere around there is i think where i'd draw the line.

Seether · #8 10-26-2005, 03:45 AM

You called off 13% of your stack with q5o.... getting nowhere near the odds to call?

cferejohn · #9 10-26-2005, 03:48 AM

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You called off 13% of your stack with q5o.... getting nowhere near the odds to call?

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How can you say he's getting nowhere near the odds to call without first putting villan on a range of hands?

pfkaok · #10 10-26-2005, 03:53 AM

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How can you say he's getting nowhere near the odds to call without first putting villan on a range of hands?

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yeah. range... ie ATC.