AA 10/20, simple turn/river decision

Lurker4 · #1 08-02-2005, 04:06 PM

This is a 9-max table but is currently 6 handed. Villain is unknown. The average unknown is probably moderately aggro in this game. This is a pretty simple, standard situation...wondering what others do, 3-bet turn? Just calldown the c/r? Call turn c/r and raise river?

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 max, 6 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero...

slik · #2 08-02-2005, 04:16 PM

read dependent. barring a read, i raise the turn. calling down is not terrible. i'd wait to raise the river against overly aggro players. basically, caling and raising will be player dependent.

KidPokerX · #3 08-02-2005, 04:31 PM

If you're looking for a general answer, I'd probably reraise him on the turn and call a cap to showdown. The reason for this is that most players will either 3 bet you preflop with KK or atleast raise you on this flop, therefore I rule out KK. Although the liklihood of him slowplaying a set is high, the probability of him having AK here is greater. I think up to the turn you played this fine - I would carry this further and reraise.

The previous poster was correct, however, that these types of decisions are more player dependent than you may think. Against a red flagger I would simply show down cheaply.

Digs · #4 08-02-2005, 04:54 PM

I 3bet this without a read

JrJordan · #5 08-02-2005, 04:57 PM

I'd call the turn here and raise his ensuing river bet. You'll make more vs. a solid opponent who can fold to a 3-bet. Likewise a lower 2pair type hand is less likely to reraise on the river than they are on the turn.

mperich · #6 08-02-2005, 04:58 PM

3bet yo! Or if he likes to bluff, wait until the river to raise. Either way get another bet in there on a big street voluntarily.

-Mike

Catt · #7 08-02-2005, 05:07 PM

I don't play 10/20 but I'd 3bet this readless. I'd say he could have a lot of hands here that you're beating, that have to call a 3-bet, but that won't put more than 1 (if 1) in on the river.

Digs · #8 08-02-2005, 05:09 PM

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I'd call the turn here and raise his ensuing river bet. You'll make more vs. a solid opponent who can fold to a 3-bet. Likewise a lower 2pair type hand is less likely to reraise on the river than they are on the turn.

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I like.

KidPokerX · #9 08-02-2005, 06:45 PM

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I'd call the turn here and raise his ensuing river bet. You'll make more vs. a solid opponent who can fold to a 3-bet. Likewise a lower 2pair type hand is less likely to reraise on the river than they are on the turn.

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Against some opponents I like, but for a no read I dont. The point of raising on the turn here is to leave your options open on the river. I think waiting until the river to raise him will lead you into trouble more often than not. By raising the river you leave your opponent open to losing only one bet on the river (if he folds) but will usually end up having to pay him off an extra 2 bets when he was indeed slowplaying a set or strong 2 pair. IMO waiting for the river to attack in this situation is costly.
Also, someone said that by raising the river you can get a small two pair to slow down. That is great and all, but why would you ever do that knowing he will most likely call with a better hand?
But hey, we all play different.

wonkadaddy · #10 08-02-2005, 07:22 PM

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I'd call the turn here and raise his ensuing river bet. You'll make more vs. a solid opponent who can fold to a 3-bet. Likewise a lower 2pair type hand is less likely to reraise on the river than they are on the turn.

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i dig