TT PF decision

Lurker4 · #1 05-18-2005, 03:06 AM

not much of a read on UTG+1, has decent TAG-like stats
MP1 is overaggressive and not that good

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP1 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero...

damaniac · #2 05-18-2005, 03:14 AM

Against a LAG 3-bettor, cap it. Unless the TAG has a big hand or hits the flop hard, your cap will make it much more likely his overcards (if that's what he has) don't see the river, which is a big plus for you. Postflop, try to isolate the LAG, and plan on going to showdown unless the board and action get really bad or the TAG shows interest.

toss · #3 05-18-2005, 03:19 AM

My gut feeling is telling me to call and see if UTG+1 caps or not. We have position to take control on a favorable flop and our hands may beat both villains' holdings. By calling we can better determine whether UTG+1 is stronger than ours. Most likely TT is better than what MP1 is holding.

mtdoak · #4 05-18-2005, 03:31 AM

I usually call here. TT is a great starting hand, but can be killed by alot of flops. Call and see what MP1 does.

rmarotti · #5 05-18-2005, 06:03 AM

BOOOOOOOO! cap to make the TAG make an incorrect fold postflop.

Fnord · #6 05-18-2005, 06:07 AM

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BOOOOOOOO! cap to make the TAG make an incorrect fold postflop.

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TAgg might even fold a hand like AJ/KQ here pre-flop if he's really studly.

How over-aggro is MP1? If he's a tight 3-better than this might even be a reasonable fold. I would also consider just how aggro TAgg is pre-flop. Something like a 7% or lower PFR might also bias me towards a fold.

brazilio · #7 05-18-2005, 07:21 AM

MP1 being overaggressive might lean me towards a call, but readless am I the only one folding both TT and JJ to a 3-bet cold when it's only 3-way? JJ is a closer decision, but TT has an assload of overcards that can hit the flop, and I'm not sure if any can be considered safe with action like that.

Lurker4 · #8 05-18-2005, 03:31 PM

I ended up cold-calling; this is only the second or third time I remember cold-calling 3 PF, I know one of the other times was also TT. I cold-called, as some have said, to see if UTG+1 capped. If he didn't cap, I could raise MP1's probable flop bet to fold UTG+1's overcards, and if he did cap, I can narrow down his range a bit and also see what he and MP1 do on the flop before I have to act. However, I can see a good argument for capping PF in that you might get UTG+1 to fold some overs PF or make an incorrect fold on the flop. UTG+1 capped, but it didn't make a difference since I flopped a T. Anyone have a problem w/the way the rest of the hand was played?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP1 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, UTG+1 caps, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (9.66 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (12.66 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 14.66 BB

Results in white below: 
MP1 has Qs Ad (one pair, threes).
Hero has Th Tc (full house, tens full of threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 14.66 BB.

J. Sawyer · #9 05-18-2005, 03:53 PM

easy cap given reads

brettbrettr · #10 05-18-2005, 03:54 PM

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Call and see what MP1 does.

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No way. MP1 is a fish. He's going to do fish-like things. Its raise to get rid of the TAG. He does TAG-like things.

I'm shocked, doak, shocked.