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10-01-2004, 08:16 PM
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Slotboom\'s quiz vs Ed Miller and percent of winning sessions
Does Slotboom's weak-tight advice promote a higher percentage of winning sessions? Does it help avoid the occasional complete disaster albeit at a steep long-term price?
If either of these is true, it is easy to see why someone could be convinced that playing his way is right if they do not read carefully. -Michael 
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10-01-2004, 08:34 PM
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Re: Slotboom\'s quiz vs Ed Miller and percent of winning sessions
It's possible that since Rolf plays much higher games than he writes about, he's not familiar with how poorly most 10/20 players really play.
It's also possible that since he plays a lot of PLO (Pot Limit Omaha), much of his thinking from that game still bleeds over into his Holdem advice (especially the "be wary when you don't have the nuts" advice)
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10-01-2004, 11:36 PM
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Re: Slotboom\'s quiz vs Ed Miller and percent of winning sessions
A player with a +2 BB/hr winrate with a variance of 14 BB/hr will emerge as a winner in a 5-hr session about 63% of the time.
A player with a +1 BB/hr winrate with a variance of 7 bb/hr winrate will emerge as a winner in a 5-hr session about 59% of the time. [ QUOTE ] Does Slotboom's weak-tight advice promote a higher percentage of winning sessions? Does it help avoid the occasional complete disaster albeit at a steep long-term price? If either of these is true, it is easy to see why someone could be convinced that playing his way is right if they do not read carefully. -Michael [/ QUOTE ]
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#4
10-02-2004, 12:19 AM
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Re: Slotboom\'s quiz vs Ed Miller and percent of winning sessions
[ QUOTE ]
Does Slotboom's weak-tight advice promote a higher percentage of winning sessions? Does it help avoid the occasional complete disaster albeit at a steep long-term price? If either of these is true, it is easy to see why someone could be convinced that playing his way is right if they do not read carefully. -Michael [/ QUOTE ] Although he doesn't mention it in his quiz, the games he plays in (when used to play lots of Limit HE) were very tight, and had atrociously high rakes/expenses. Somthing like 10% to E5 in a E10-20 game. The result is that playing in small pots (i.e head to head) is very unprofitable. Hence his advice is weak tight by american low limit standards. Unless the pot is developing multi-way, it is correct to be squeaky tight, and if everyone else is playing very tight, then you had damn well better be tight too. Also when you are playing for a living, you have an interest in lower varince even if you are sacrificing some EV. IMHO, most people would be better off looking for a better game. I honestly think that most hold'em games I see online at the limits I play at, are too tight to be profitable, and so I prefer to play stud or Omaha games which are much looser and more profitable.
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10-02-2004, 12:42 AM
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Re: Slotboom\'s quiz vs Ed Miller and percent of winning sessions
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IMHO, most people would be better off looking for a better game. I honestly think that most hold'em games I see online at the limits I play at, are too tight to be profitable, and so I prefer to play stud or Omaha games which are much looser and more profitable. [/ QUOTE ] What the hell limits are you playing?
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10-03-2004, 11:16 PM
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Re: Slotboom\'s quiz vs Ed Miller and percent of winning sessions
Although he doesn't mention it in his quiz
It's not even *his* quiz. In the original post someone figured out that this quiz was taken word-for-word from someone else, so any discussion regarding slotbloom's games are irrelevant.
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#7
10-04-2004, 03:57 AM
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Re: Slotboom\'s quiz vs Ed Miller and percent of winning sessions
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A player with a +2 BB/hr winrate with a variance of 14 BB/hr will emerge as a winner in a 5-hr session about 63% of the time. A player with a +1 BB/hr winrate with a variance of 7 bb/hr winrate will emerge as a winner in a 5-hr session about 59% of the time [/ QUOTE ] Whats the math on that.
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#8
10-04-2004, 04:20 AM
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Re: Slotboom\'s quiz vs Ed Miller and percent of winning sessions
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[ QUOTE ] A player with a +2 BB/hr winrate with a variance of 14 BB/hr will emerge as a winner in a 5-hr session about 63% of the time. A player with a +1 BB/hr winrate with a variance of 7 bb/hr winrate will emerge as a winner in a 5-hr session about 59% of the time [/ QUOTE ] Whats the math on that. [/ QUOTE ] I simulated it using some EXCEL programming. The numbers should be accurate within half a percentage point or so. There are more mathematically elegant ways to make the caclulation, but this is easier for me.
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#9
10-04-2004, 07:39 AM
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Re: Slotboom\'s quiz vs Ed Miller and percent of winning sessions
[ QUOTE ]
A player with a +2 BB/hr winrate with a variance of 14 BB/hr will emerge as a winner in a 5-hr session about 63% of the time. A player with a +1 BB/hr winrate with a variance of 7 bb/hr winrate will emerge as a winner in a 5-hr session about 59% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] I don't see how this can be correct. Consider playing 0.50/1 and winning 2BB/hr with 14BB/hr variance and compare with 1/2 winning 1BB/hr with 7BB/hr variance. They're both +$2/hr with $14/hr variance, so the probability of a winning session must be identical.
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#10
10-04-2004, 08:25 AM
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Re: Slotboom\'s quiz vs Ed Miller and percent of winning sessions
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Although he doesn't mention it in his quiz It's not even *his* quiz. In the original post someone figured out that this quiz was taken word-for-word from someone else, so any discussion regarding slotbloom's games are irrelevant. [/ QUOTE ] This was later debunked -- supposedly it IS his quiz. Go read his reply in the thread. Not that I know either way, but most people seem to believe that it was, in fact, his quiz. And it's like 5 years old and even he thinks it's bad advice now.
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