AQo BB 4-way, screwplay?

Lurker4 · #1 09-23-2005, 04:04 AM

Reads:
Button is a maniac, don't remember exact stats but something like 50/26/2.5, overaggro postflop and PF.
CO is 55/19/2.2 over 100 hands, aggro PF and postflop just like stats indicate, probably not as much as Button though.
BB is a loose-passive fish, 62/1.5/.7 over 200, passive all around.

Is this a good spot for a turn c/r after having the last aggression the flop, or what I believe is now called the screwplay? I thought by checking the turn, I could represent a draw that was jamming the flop, and the aggro CO would easily bet any made hand here, while only calling AJ and worse. I can trap both him and SB (who likely has a draw or worse A) for two bets insetad of one. I just run the risk of letting something like J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] getting a free turn card. Also, thoughts on PF and flop? PF, I'm ahead of a good % of button's range, but this is one of those spots where I thought "calling to see if original raiser caps" was a good play, and capping definitely is unlikely to fold KJo/KTo type hands from CO. Just cap it here, or call like I did? On the flop, decided to try for bet-3bet since button and CO will easily raise AJ-A8 here, go for c/r instead? Not sure it matters too much either way. Thoughts on all streets appreciated.

Party Poker 10.00/20.00 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises, Button 3-bets, SB calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (12.00 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, Button folds, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks...

Lurkmaster Flex · #2 09-23-2005, 04:09 AM

I don't play much 10/20 but I like all your streets. Seems like the perfect spot to try to trap the turn with boderline maniac types.

wackjob · #3 09-23-2005, 04:17 AM

PF CAP & don't slow down until shown lots of aggression.

Lurker4 · #4 09-23-2005, 11:19 AM

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PF CAP & don't slow down until shown lots of aggression.

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Why, is it just b/c of value? While I likely have an equity edge, its probably not that great and I don't gain any additional information by capping. I am also OOP. Initiative won't help me that much here as I am going to have to pair up or better to win; if I just call I gain more info about CO's hand, and can possibly extract more postflop if I flop good. Also, assuming you just called PF, how do you like postflop?

#5 09-23-2005, 02:08 PM

I've always thought calling three bets cold PF is a mistake. So I'd look at this as a choice between folding and raising here and do the latter for value. Getting information on the LAG's (CO) hand seems unlikely because his range for capping here could be huge. As for extracting value after you hit, whether you cap/bet out or call/bet out, people are thinking about that ace. But if you do cap, there's a chance you get callers--or raisers--who look at your move on the flop as a continuation bet. If you bet out after calling PF, you scream aces or better.

#6 09-23-2005, 02:13 PM

As its been said, you gotta cap the maniac with your big hands that might win unimproved.

When you hit on the flop, your probably shouldnt be slowing down. The maniacs range of hands is wide and you look to be doing well.