Too thin? 10/20 river raise/fold

[MarkD]

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I love raising open completers with hands like JT, QJ, T9, 97 since an Ace or king will usually win the pot for you as well as pairing one of your other two cards. I usually like doing this to take the initiative from weak opponents. Strong ones can identify the strength of there hand and raising isn't as effective against them. Jim Brier in "How good is you limit hodem" discuses this idea.

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don't think jim wrote that book.

[aba20]

sorry, byron jacobs with jim brier

[Lurker4]

Thanks for everyone's thoughts...the more I think about it, the more I believe a turn raise here is the best play, for several reasons:
1. a 6, a weak 8, and maybe a strong 8 will bet/call this turn and likely check/call river, while if just called on turn, on many rivers these hands will just check/call, which means I lose a bet from them.
2. the usual reasons for waiting for the river, ie to encourage a bluff, less likely to get 3-bet by a better hand, to not fold out a worse hand that is drawing to few outs, etc, do not apply here. Many bluffing hands have 7 outs (gutshot+pair outs) here due to the coordinated nature of the board, and I don't mind making them pay or folding those hands with a turn raise. The only hands really drawing to 2 outs are 22-55 and 77, and those are relatively unlikely due to the PF limp. Also, there aren't many hands that will 3-bet the turn, and any that could 3-bet this turn likely will 3-bet river anyway.

As for raising PF w/any two after an open-completer, I'm still unsure about this. I probably need to open up my range but I'm not quite sure a PF raise w/any two, especially after you're seen raising w/junk, increases fold equity on the flop.

Results: Villain shows 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] for flopped bottom two [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

[wheelz]

I don't raise any 2... but 97o is good enough I think.