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Old 12-28-2005, 04:48 PM
Sciolist Sciolist is offline
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You have 21 BB. Why on earth are you considering calling here? I'm going to be passing unless the BB is 600 or something - I think it THEN becomes a marginal decision.
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:51 PM
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Default Re: Do you call heads up in this situation?

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You have 21 BB. Why on earth are you considering calling here? I'm going to be passing unless the BB is 600 or something - I think it THEN becomes a marginal decision.

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it then becomes a push preflop. holla
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:54 PM
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Don't ruin my analysis please!
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Old 12-29-2005, 04:06 PM
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Default Re: Do you call heads up in this situation?

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You have 21 BB. Why on earth are you considering calling here? I'm going to be passing unless the BB is 600 or something - I think it THEN becomes a marginal decision.

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it then becomes a push preflop. holla

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You can't limp/call off for all your chips with suited connectors or low pairs. Push 'em if ya want - if ya get called you're still half-way alive and maybe a generally even money flip, but to flat-call BB and THEN flat-call AI is just awful poker.
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: Do you call heads up in this situation?

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You have 21 BB. Why on earth are you considering calling here?

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Why? Mabey because my equity in the hand is greater than
the odds the pot is offering?

Why don't you want to consider this possibility?
After the limp, I have 3064 behind and there is an
additional 300 in the pot, so the pot is offering me
1.1 to 1. Many hands that he might have, such as
55, 44, 33, 22 my equity exceeds that so its a clear cut
call.

It comes down to what range of hands you can put the
opponent on, but I don't see how you can just dismiss
a call out of hand without considering this question.

Suerte,
Jonathan
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:06 PM
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You are a 52:48 dog to a random hand, for crying out loud.
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Old 12-28-2005, 08:38 PM
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You are a 52:48 dog to a random hand, for crying out loud.

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I am? Where does this come from?

Suerte,
Jonathan
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Old 12-28-2005, 08:40 PM
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Default Re: Do you call heads up in this situation?

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You are a 52:48 dog to a random hand, for crying out loud.

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I am? Where does this come from?

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Jonathan

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It comes from the fact you have EIGHT HIGH.
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Old 12-28-2005, 08:57 PM
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Default Re: Do you call heads up in this situation?

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You are a 52:48 dog to a random hand, for crying out loud.

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I am? Where does this come from?

Suerte,
Jonathan

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It comes from the fact you have EIGHT HIGH.

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OK...But what I meant was, is there some tool available that
you use to calculate that 87s is a 52:48 dog to a random
hand? What about JTs? What about 55? How do these compare
to a random hand.

For example, I've used Poker Stove to compare one specific
hand against another. But can you also use it, or some
similar tool, to compare 87s to a range of hands, rather than
just one hand?

That would help clarify things for me.

Thanks,
Jonathan
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:16 AM
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Default Re: Do you call heads up in this situation?

Yes, there're hand range calculators around. I'm afraid I don't have a URL here, but suffice to say 78s is -ev.
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