The Gilpin is where I play in CO from now on.

[smoore]

No it's not, Sully. If it were, I would be colluding with every other decent to good player I play with.

Are you telling me you don't cooperatively bet? i.e. One known solid player to your right raises, you have something that might warrant a cold call like JJ or AQo but instead you RAISE to drive out stupid draws behind you. If you don't, you might want to start.

[Sully]

So how exactly do you explain the "concept of cooperative betting" to a person sitting next to you in a B&M? I'm curious. I don't play much live, but when I do, it's in Blackhawk / Central City, so I think you can understand my concern.

I'm not accusing you of colluding (yet), but I think you are walking a fine line here. Please give me an example of how you would explain this to someone you just sat down next to at the table.

And you don't need to explain the concept of isolation raises to me....I understand poker, just not "cooperative betting".

[smoore]

Actually, Sully, you did accuse me of collusion, therefore my response. I would explain it at the table like this:

him: Man, I hate when those dumbasses call raises with NOTHING and then suck out.
me: OK, well then instead of just calling yourself, go ahead and threebet it... they don't want to call the threebet nearly as much. I call this 'cooperative betting', it gets the donks out with thier strange 25o and such. Players like you and I use this to get pots headsup or shorthanded.
him: NO SHIZNAT! WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THIS?!?!?! SNOOOOOGINS!
me: Duh.

If that's collusion then I'm a f'in cheater. Every good player in the world is a f'in cheater.

Tom: It's gilpin county, definitely not foothils. You would take 93 south to 6 (the canyon) west. Most of the rooms suck. Have fun.

[Sully]

[ QUOTE ]

him: Man, I hate when those dumbasses call raises with NOTHING and then suck out.
me: OK, well then instead of just calling yourself, go ahead and threebet it... they don't want to call the threebet nearly as much. I call this 'cooperative betting', it gets the donks out with thier strange 25o and such. Players like you and I use this to get pots headsup or shorthanded.
him: NO SHIZNAT! WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THIS?!?!?! SNOOOOOGINS!
me: Duh.


[/ QUOTE ]

If that's all you're talking about, no big deal, and that is definitely not collusion. You might want to think about coming with a different name than "cooperative betting" so that people like myself don't jump to conclusions.

Something like "table coaching" or "educating the fish" might be more accurate.

[smoore]

Yeah, cool Sully... you'll hear more about "cooperative betting" in O8 than in hold'em but in O8 you really do need it. I don't ever condone, "I have a major hand, do you want to play me?" kind of talk but I'll reraise you if it's time to get heads up. No noise, just bets.

I'll supbro you if I ever see that wonderful knit beanie in your avatar. That's f'in COLORADO, mang... Damn, you look like my neighbor.