master level bot created?

[Mr Gee]

I think there are two different points here:

1. Can you develop a poker program that can beat humans?

2. If so would you get huge numbers of these bots playing online poker and ruining the game for us?

I don't think we need to worry about the first question too much, because poker sites do not and will not tolerate bots. If Party can already scan your hard drive when it wants, and check your running processes, you'd have to be pretty dedicated and tech savvy to stand a chance at avoiding detection. Some bots may get through, but not in large enough numbers to have any serious effect on the game.

[Tuco]

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you'd have to be pretty dedicated and tech savvy to stand a chance at avoiding detection

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Dedicated and tech savvy? As in someone who would spend countless hours developing a bot?

Shessh.

Tuco.

[primetime32]

The issue isnt whether someone can create a bot that can win, or whether they can create a bot that can win and be undetectable. I think that will eventually happen. The problem would be keeping it undetectable. And once it is found, you are banned and so is the money in your account. Then you have to work hard at trying to become undetectable again, only to be spotted eventually when the sites catch up.

Even if someone was able to stay one step ahead of the game, that is just one person cheating. To think that it can be mass produced and threaten online poker is a joke. Once it was sold publicly, the tech people at these sites would hire a tech guy to detect it or prevent its use. Then you have people holding hundred dollar bots that don't work.

People who cheat via IM or telephone are a far greater risk to us than the eventual bot invasion.

[Tuco]

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And once it is found, you are banned and so is the money in your account

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Thats a little like saying nobody will bother trying to embezzle money because if they are caught they have to give the money back. It's not much of a deterent that money is not yours gets confiscated.

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Once it was sold publicly, the tech people at these sites would hire a tech guy to detect it or prevent its use. Then you have people holding hundred dollar bots that don't work.


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Any bot worth anything wouldn't be sold. Noone would pay what it would be worth.

Tuco.

[KJ o]

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Any bot worth anything wouldn't be sold. Noone would pay what it would be worth.

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Why? Because you say so?

It is perfectly possible that no one will pay anything for a poker bot because they think along the lines of: "If I buy this program, others will probably as well. And then there will be many users, we will all get caught and I will gain nothing from doing so."

Meanwhile, IRL, I point you to WinHoldem or whatever it was (is?) called.

Are you suggesting that if Winholdem would have been great instead of bad, no one would have bought it?

[Cosimo]

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Any bot worth anything wouldn't be sold. Noone would pay what it would be worth.

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Why? Because you say so?

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A bot worth anything would probably be worth millions. Maybe two or three licenses could be sold before the games dry up. Note that with a good enough bot, you'd run it for one seat at every table at the mid to high limits. 1BB/100h at 60h/hr at even 5-10 is $1000 a week, enough to pay for the hardware to run the bot. Every subsequent week is pure profit.

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Meanwhile, IRL, I point you to WinHoldem

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That bot was worth about $0, from what I heard about it.

[Tuco]

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Why? Because you say so?

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Because economics says so.

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Are you suggesting that if Winholdem would have been great instead of bad, no one would have bought it?

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Are you suggesting that Winholdem can be used as an analagy to a program that could literally win millions of dollars for someone? If you are, im done arguing with you.

Tuco.