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#1
11-10-2003, 05:06 PM
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Profit by position
I've been wondering about this for a while now, and I think it's time I ask:
1) It's obvious that in any position but the blinds, a good player can have a positive EV, and this EV goes up as position gets better. But what is a 'good' EV UTG and what is a 'good' EV on the button? 2) When you are in the blinds, you should show a positive EV when you choose to enter into the pot. But when you include the forced bets, what sort of EV should a 'good' player have from the SB and the BB? How much of this depends on the small blind structure (1/3 SB vs 1/2 SB)? 3) Does anybody have hard numbers they are willing to share on this? Thanks. 
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#2
11-10-2003, 05:16 PM
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Re: Profit by position
[ QUOTE ]
I've been wondering about this for a while now, and I think it's time I ask: 1) It's obvious that in any position but the blinds, a good player can have a positive EV, and this EV goes up as position gets better. But what is a 'good' EV UTG and what is a 'good' EV on the button? 2) When you are in the blinds, you should show a positive EV when you choose to enter into the pot. But when you include the forced bets, what sort of EV should a 'good' player have from the SB and the BB? How much of this depends on the small blind structure (1/3 SB vs 1/2 SB)? 3) Does anybody have hard numbers they are willing to share on this? Thanks. [/ QUOTE ] u need a shitload of hh to even think about it.
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#3
11-10-2003, 06:02 PM
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Re: Profit by position
I'm not knowledgable enough to talk specifically about this. But I do lament sometimes that my BB and SB would be a lot less worse for wear if I would just fold anything but an UTG playable hand PF with the exception of suited cards under 10. Too many times I find myself in kicker problems on boards that have to be played fast and furious.
For instance: Q5os in the BB The board comes: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Yuck. - Groove
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#5
11-10-2003, 06:53 PM
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Re: Profit by position
To answer your question;
get poker tracker. you can sort by position. You need around 35K to 40K hand histories to even address this though. So far i make money at every position except SB BB and UTG, mostly because i have only played half as many hadns at UTG because of tables where UTG plays then leaves, so i become the BB. My highest EV is the CO i think, but i only have 3500 hands in there, which is in no way close to what i need. -AA
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#6
11-10-2003, 07:32 PM
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To address the issue of significant data...
I do not have anywhere close to enough playing time to be able to use my numbers as a significant data set. I also consider myself to be barely 'good'. But with all the people on this board who are 'good', there must be some signifiant amount of data to try to narrow down the trends.
For example, to address ArchAngel's being most profitable in the CO, is common or just random variation? Does it make sense for EV to be more (because, perhaps, you raise more in the CO than on the button)? If people are willing to post their data (see 3 in the original post), then we may see something interesting show up (or it might just be stuff that most people can see intuitively, and there's no interesting information).
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#7
11-11-2003, 02:19 AM
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Re: To address the issue of significant data...
I think the fact that i am most profitable in the CO is an aberration, when i get around 20K, i will post some stuff to give youa feel.
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#9
11-11-2003, 03:25 AM
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Re: Profit by position
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#10
11-11-2003, 03:51 AM
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Re: Profit by position
You could add all the numbers in the pokerroom stats in tj00's post, and take a weighted mean based on the frequency of the hands. This would give the average for all players on pokerroom.
It would be different for good players however, as they wouldn't play the same hands the same ways in the same positions, for instance 85 offsuit after 3 limpers. The small blind is also a problem since we don't know what it's average size is.
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