99 Full house-- slowplayed too much??

[Greg J]

Stop doing this. Bet the flop. Keep making value bets and hope he wants to go to war.

[Eeegah]

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Middle set is too easily outdrawn to slowplay, even on a relatively safe looking board!

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Uh this is patently false. We're heads up, and we're winning this just under 19 times out of 20 and we aren't trying to push him out of the pot. Unless he has AA he'll need both the turn and river to hit him to beat us.

Which is not to say we should slowplay. I'm not as firmly in the "never slowplay under any circumstance ever even if your cards are flipped over they'll call" camp most of the forum adheres to, but if he has an A he'll raise us and if he doesn't we won't get much action anyway. Bet out or checkraise the flop depending on your mood; I suspect they're about equal here.

its been said, but just lead the flop. he wont think you have middle set when you lead out.

i'm pretty sure a key criterion for slowplaying is something to the effect of "the pot is small, and the slowplay gives you a chance to win a big pot". that doesn't seem to be the case here. even if he catches up to second best, there's only so much you're getting from him. and b/c it's heads up, there's more to be gained by getting the bets in as soon as possible.

[milesdyson]

i think everyone who suggested betting the flop is wrong

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i think everyone who suggested betting the flop is wrong

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I'm intrigued Miles. What's your line?

I bet/call. Check/raise.

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i think everyone who suggested betting the flop is wrong

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as opposed to?

checkraise the flop and your cover is blown.

if we put him on a range that includes a) KK-TT, along with b) AK-J? i would say any other possibilities are fairly negligent.

so when (vils play is italicised)...

a) the action will most likely go (when we bet):
bet call
bet call
bet call

and we take 2.5BB postflop

if we get fancy:

check bet raise call
bet fold

for 1BB

if we pacify:

check bet call
check bet call
check check

for 1.5BB? maybe even less for the times vil gives up on turn?

b) was a lot harder to do because it is harder to guess at how aggro vil will stay on the turn and river. but bet/call flop then check/raise turn seems to guarantee you at least 1 extra SB... and he will most likely put you on a weak ace so particularly if he has AK he aint slowing down to your checkraise

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i think everyone who suggested betting the flop is wrong

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Come on! Tell us why. Whats the point in telling people they are wrong when you don't say why you think so?

[Str8Fish]

Wow I'm very excited my hand has started so much controversy. From what everyone has said, next time I will bet the flop. I would have been raised most likely here, since he hit his ace. I would have called the raise (10SB so far) thinking of check-raising the turn (at least 9BB). And then betting the river (at least 11BB). The pot here was 12BB, and with him catching a third ace, I'm sure there would have been some re-raising. Gah! So many bets lost because of slowplaying. Thanks everyone... I've truly learned my lesson. Slowplaying can only go so far.

It also sucks that he was trying to slowplay me with his ace... both trying to slowplay the other is awful. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[Catsailor]

Grunch:
I bet out flop and call a raise. Any hand that raised preflop will call or raise here.
Turn: If he raised flop I bet out again and RR and Cap.
You may be able keep him from hitting his K or Q on river.
Riv: When a blank falls I bet and raise till my hand hurts. Except the rare AA, I don't see him raising preflop with anything that scares me. A read on villian would be needed to expand his preflop standards.
I think you missed many value bets here as I see him going to showdown with any A.
Cat