How do you play big hands out of position?

amoeba · #1 06-25-2005, 08:09 PM

Hero ($48.75)
BB ($69.61)
UTG ($104.15)
MP ($48.45)
CO ($29.65)
Button ($118.59)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50, Hero (poster) completes, BB raises to $0.5, MP calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50.

Flop: ($4) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $3, BB calls $3, MP calls $3, Button folds.

Turn: ($13) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $9, BB folds, MP calls $9.

River: ($31) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $20, MP folds.

Final Pot: $51

beginnersluck13 · #2 06-25-2005, 08:16 PM

Looks pretty standard to me, although I have trouble with these as well. On the flop or turn I may go for a check raise here, but a lot of times I won't get any action when I do that. Also you risk not having anyone bet and then you have given a free card, which doesn't matter much in this case, losing the bets is the bigger disappointment.

soah · #3 06-25-2005, 08:23 PM

I usually let the BB trap the field for me on the flop.

JaBlue · #4 06-25-2005, 09:46 PM

If I'm value betting the river, its 15$. I think better is to try for a check-raise, though.

amoeba · #5 06-25-2005, 10:01 PM

yeah, normally I do 15. not sure what made me do 20 this time.

I think if any street were to be checked, the flop would be it.

I don't like checking the turn here.

what do you guys think about overbetting the flop then betting 1/2 to 2/3 on the turn?

imported_anacardo · #6 06-25-2005, 10:15 PM

You mean representing a vulnerable K, then throwing out a weak bet because you "smell a trap?" Sounds like a fine change-of-pace line. Or do you just mean you'd like to build the pot a little more on the flop?

JaBlue · #7 06-25-2005, 10:16 PM

You don't like the induce bluff idea?

amoeba · #8 06-25-2005, 10:18 PM

I thought about it but this guy has minraised preflop straight for the last 5 hands but he becomes passive postflop.

I think its a possible line but a flop checkraise seems too suspicious?

maybe I'll try it next time.

JaBlue · #9 06-25-2005, 10:23 PM

why would you want to flop checkraise based on this hand? It went perfect excepting him not calling the river..

amoeba · #10 06-25-2005, 10:28 PM

you said induce bluff or let BB trap so I wasn't sure what you meant.

if I check flop, I check call. but these guys will probably underbet flop if I check to them anyways thats why I bet it.

I think I should have led the flop for 4 or 4.5 . it discreetly builds pot especially if I get called in 2 places and allows my future bets to be sizable in amount but perhaps not in relation to pot and leaves villain more commited on river.

oh well.