Very bad run - Page 2

Ghazban · #11 06-06-2005, 01:19 PM

January through April of this year, I lost $2600 playing live 1/2 NL. I'm sure I can beat donk-filled casino 1/2 games but bad beats were everywhere and I couldn't seem to hold onto a stack. For example, I built up a $200 buyin at the MGM Grand in Vegas to ~$850, got it all-in against a maniac that had me covered when I flopped top set vs. his overpair and he made a runner-runner flush. I'm thrilled to get my chips in there (who wouldn't be?) but losing that one pot to a bad beat could've turned my whole trip around (if I win that pot, I've turned my $200 buyin for the session into $1700).

Capped no-limit can kill you like that. If you take a bad beat with just your buyin, its not the end of the world but, if you've built up a lot, one bad beat can affect your bottom line more than several 100xBB buy-in double-ups.

Caballa · #12 06-06-2005, 01:36 PM

To actually answer the question, my worst short term run was being down by 8 buy ins at £0.50/£1 ($1/$2) in one day.

TheWorstPlayer · #13 06-06-2005, 01:39 PM

Easy call. You are destroying his queen. (Except, of course, for the fact that you lost here to 34o.) And at 6m I usually run around 25/15. Hmm... that was at NL25, though. Since I've only recently moved up to NL100, I am playing more conservatively at something like 20/8. Hopefully soon I will get back to LAGging it up!

Edit: I was down 25 buy-ins in one stretch at NL25. Approximately 32 of them were due to tilt. (I managed to suck out on a few bluffs.)

amoeba · #14 06-06-2005, 02:22 PM

well, it seems that 12 buy ins isn't that bad from what you guys are saying.

Some of it was due to bad beats. example : QQ on Q high rainbow flop after calling preflop raise. get all in, guy suck out an A for overset on the turn.

others were me playing lag with suited connectors, making a good hand but losing to the nuts.

anyways, in this hand villain held QQ and then promptly left. It definitely surprised me and almost made me stop playing for the day as it was like he knew I had a 3 or something. I didn't even bet the flop, he acted first and he open pushed. I mean, I had to call right?

Caballa · #15 06-06-2005, 02:31 PM

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I mean, I had to call right?

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What did you think he would push $95 into a $8 pot with on this flop when first to act after calling a $4 preflop raise?
Someone making that bet certainly isn't concerned about you having AA, KK or QQ.

amoeba · #16 06-06-2005, 02:35 PM

I really put him on AA/ KK because I've been very aggressive preflop and winning pots without showdown and occasionally showing a couple of bluffs.

I mean it seems silly to open push with the top fullhouse before I even act on the flop as most of the time I fold with missed Ak, Aj, whatever. Wouldn't you at least give me an opportunity to bet?

gulebjorn · #17 06-06-2005, 02:36 PM

I'm sure i'm wrong about this but... why would he overbet like that if he only had a Q?

He knows you could be raising the blinds with A3, K3, 33 or even QQ, KK, AA so wouldn't he wanna find out about this first? I mean, why would he risk running into one of these hands over an 8$ pot? If he has a Q, the only way to make money off that bet is to have JJ-22 call him. And i don't see that happening with the Q showing and a push like that.

I'm making a habit out of giving these ridiculous bets a lot of respect, even if they are representing a long shot. I don't have any PT stats, but i'm very sure i'm not a weak player. If anything, i'm too LAG.

Anyway, Amoeba, have some more confidence. I've always learned a lot from you posts in the past, but you don't seem to trust your own judgement anymore. I've seen a few of your posts these last few days and was wondering if it was the same Amoeba. Is the bad run getting to you that bad? And could it be affecting your play?

Edit: my worst run was 7 buyins at NL100. I dropped to 25 and 50 now. I'm glad i'm not the only one experiencing this. I see people complaining about 200 or 300 big blinds (yes, at NL) and i was wondering if i was no good at this game.

amoeba · #18 06-06-2005, 02:51 PM

I don't know. I've just ran in to alot of monsters.

like my other post is about how I raised with 86s. final board is T 8 8 6 3.

I lose to TT.

or 3 days ago, I cold call a raise preflop with QQ, flop Q high rainbow. guy bets, I call, another guy calls. Turn comes a K, preflop raiser checks, I bet half pot, preflop raiser calls. river finishes a runner runner flush, he pushes for half pot, I call, he shows flush with AQ.

I've been thinking about the game and realize that at deeper stacks, TP and overpairs are really hard to play. You still make the same from draws (a flop bet and a 1/2 pot to 2/3 pot turn bet) but you lose much more to sets. I mean if I play every set with a check call flop, check call turn, value bet river regardless of what shows up, I take like 70 BBs right there. and unfortunately there are guys who take this line with missed draws and you simply don't know so you have to call the river bet since its only 1/3 pot or whatever but still 20xBB.

TheWorstPlayer · #19 06-06-2005, 02:56 PM

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I don't know. I've just ran in to alot of monsters.

like my other post is about how I raised with 86s. final board is T 8 8 6 3.

I lose to TT.

or 3 days ago, I cold call a raise preflop with QQ, flop Q high rainbow. guy bets, I call, another guy calls. Turn comes a K, preflop raiser checks, I bet half pot, preflop raiser calls. river finishes a runner runner flush, he pushes for half pot, I call, he shows flush with AQ.

I've been thinking about the game and realize that at deeper stacks, TP and overpairs are really hard to play. You still make the same from draws (a flop bet and a 1/2 pot to 2/3 pot turn bet) but you lose much more to sets. I mean if I play every set with a check call flop, check call turn, value bet river regardless of what shows up, I take like 70 BBs right there. and unfortunately there are guys who take this line with missed draws and you simply don't know so you have to call the river bet since its only 1/3 pot or whatever but still 20xBB.

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Don't play hands like KQo/AJo in EP. At least until you get your head straight again. TP is very difficult to play OOP but becomes infinitely easier with position.

amoeba · #20 06-06-2005, 02:58 PM

my thought at the time was that he had AA/KK and wanted me to commit with a Q.

or he had a hand like Ak/AJ and felt it was the best hand but didn't want to get outplayed by me on a later street or felt that I had an underpair to the Q and wanted me to fold it.