typical situation where I'm still an idiot

[Paluka]

Shorthanded game, you raise on button TT. sb 3 bets, you cap. Flop A94 rainbow, and the sb checkraises you. He is an aggressive high stakes player.
What, o, what should my plan be?

[YoureToast]

Wouldn't this question be harder if he just cold called your flop bet?
With the CR, there are about 11.5 sbs in the pot; I would call and fold if a K or Q drops on the turn, otherwise call him down.
If he just cold called your bet, now I'm scared shitless and don't know whether to bet and call a CR, whether call/raise if he leads or what to do on the river.

These are tough decisions no matter how you look at them.

Edit: by the way, the check raise to me suggest that he DOESN'T have the A -- cuz if he had the A, its likely he'd call and raise the turn.

[Paluka]

[ QUOTE ]

Edit: by the way, the check raise to me suggest that he DOESN'T have the A -- cuz if he had the A, its likely he'd call and raise the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't agree with this, because if I don't have an ace he knows i'm probably checking behind on the turn.

[diddle]

I think it's close between calling down and folding, leaning towards folding. By call down, I mean 3-bet flop and call river.

just no easy answer in these hands

[SA125]

I disagree also because I think SB's thinking is - a bigger A will 3 bet the flop or raise the turn. If 3 bet and checked behind, A is probably good. If flat called and raised on the turn, trouble.

[rigoletto]

You really need to know what he typically 3-bets with here. A lot of players auto 3-bet Aces in this spot, but the truly tough players has a wide range. Against overagressive donks I like calling to the river. Against thinking tough players I prefer 3-betting; they'll lay down a bluff or underpair to a 3-bet most of the time, so if 4-bet you can fold and if called you chek the turn and sometimes call the river- checked to you can valuebet the river. You should vary this by calling the flop c/r and then raise either turn or river a fraction of the time (about 10% I would say).

It is never going to be a high EV situation, but you shouldn't lay down hands like this to often when it's shorthanded.

[tpir90036]

I don't see how you have enough equity to calldown unless we put a lot of non-ace, non-pair hands in his 3-bet pre-flop *and* check-raise the flop range. How likely is that? I suppose it's possible if he thinks your cap is much more likely to suggest a pair then a big Ace....but now I am just talking myself into calling down.

[YoureToast]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

Edit: by the way, the check raise to me suggest that he DOESN'T have the A -- cuz if he had the A, its likely he'd call and raise the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't agree with this, because if I don't have an ace he knows i'm probably checking behind on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hmmmm....if you check behind anytime someone coldcalls your autoflop bet with an A on board and you don't have the A, I'm gonna coldcall a lot more of your autoflop bets cuz I get to see 2 more cards for the price of 1 small bet and if you bet the turn, I know you have the A.

[Nigel]

I had this same situation last night with a blind stealer who liked to do the 6-max limp re-raise with all sorts of garbage.

I capped him in the big blind, fired out the Axx on the flop and was raised.... sigh

I picked up my straight draw on the turn and got stuck calling down on the river hoping it was another time he was being a donk.

His AK didn't look so donkish.

I don't think there is any easy answer to these situations, even with a read on the player, the flop raise could just be anything.

[roy_miami]

[ QUOTE ]
Against thinking tough players I prefer 3-betting, if called you check the turn and sometimes call the river

[/ QUOTE ]

Any chance he lays down JJ or QQ if you fire again on the turn?