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Old 07-26-2004, 03:47 PM
Aviston Aviston is offline
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Default AT as BB facing a raise

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Blue folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, Hero ... ?

Do I just let this go and assume AK - AJ?
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Old 07-26-2004, 03:52 PM
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Default Re: AT as BB facing a raise

Fold preflop.
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Old 07-26-2004, 03:54 PM
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Default Re: AT as BB facing a raise

Yea, but he was asking about his postflop play.
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Old 07-26-2004, 03:54 PM
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Default Re: AT as BB facing a raise

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Fold preflop.

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Ya think? AT isn't exactly the worst hand HU and I was only paying 1 SB to see the floppage.
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Old 07-26-2004, 03:56 PM
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Default Re: AT as BB facing a raise

Call the flop, check raise the turn call and down if 3 bet.
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Old 07-26-2004, 03:56 PM
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Default Re: AT as BB facing a raise

Oh, I should've added that UTG+2 was raising PF quite a bit with small to mid pocket pairs.
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Old 07-26-2004, 04:01 PM
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Default Re: AT as BB facing a raise

That one small bet could turn into multiple big bets the times when you're outkicked and flop an Ace.

The other times when you flop a Ten you'll often be up against an overpair, and be drawing to 3 outs.

The call would be much better if you had a few cold-callers between you, but I don't want to play this hand heads up and out of position in a raised pot.
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Old 07-26-2004, 04:02 PM
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Point taken. I have been retarded as of late.
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Old 07-26-2004, 04:12 PM
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Default Re: AT as BB facing a raise

I understand your point, but doesn't what you just said sound like the opposite of what everyone jokes that fish think? Everyone says fish change what other players have so they feel good about their call (ex. AA preflop turns to QQ when they flop a pair of K's). It seems like you are saying that no matter what flops he will be beaten. It is just as likely that the opposite situation could occur, no? (when he flops a ten to get TPTK, he was up against AKs, and when he flops a pair of aces, he was raised PF by KK) Now I know that he raised on the flop, but how many times have you seen posts on here where people have been advised to 3-bet "to see how strong his hand really is." Anyone playing a high pocket pair might just as well raise this flop. At the very least, call this down and hope to improve with one of your four outs. That is just my take on this hand, and your post that seemed a bit like it was looking for monsters.
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Old 07-26-2004, 04:22 PM
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Default Re: AT as BB facing a raise

If the raiser is a reasonable player, (which I know is a big assumption which may or may not be true), what hands will he open raise with in early position that our AT is in good shape against?

If our opponent is raising light, or is a maniac, then 3-bet.
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