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Old 11-04-2005, 06:02 PM
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Hi all, this is my first post so please go easy on me if I'm not posting in the right place or in the right format.

I played in a NL Hold-em tournament Wednesday night at my local casino and would like some feedback on a hand I played.

In late position with the blinds at 100/200 I'm dealt A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls 200 and everyone else folds to me. I raise to 600 and everyone folds to BB who re-raises to 1200. UTG folds and I call 600. There is 2600 in the pot.

Flop K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BB bets 500.

After some time I said "I believe you want me to call". He said nothing and I folded and showed my hand. The table proceeded to tell me how crazy I was to fold the hand.

My thought was the re-raise could have meant AA, KK, QQ, or AKs. After the flop I didn't think he had KK since I was holding one and there was one on the board. Of the remaining hands I could only hope to chop against the AKs if he didn't hit a flush. Also, the 500 bet was really small in comparison to the pot. I thought it was a trap and he wanted me to call. Was this the correct thought process and did I do the right thing?

Thanks for the feedback...
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Old 11-04-2005, 06:18 PM
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This is hard to answer without chips counts. Also the buy in would help to understand the players betters since you have no real read here.

1.) Raise the limper to 1000 not 600.
2.) without any read or chip counts, bet small amt on the flop is usually just bad play. Given the info you gave, I would have raised the flop bet to see where your at.
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Old 11-04-2005, 06:22 PM
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It was $130 buy-in 2000 in tournament chips. With the blinds at 100/200 it's still early in the tournament. Stack sizes are about even at roughly 2400.
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Old 11-04-2005, 06:23 PM
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yea chipcounts would be helpful, and your thought process is fine, i dunnno about the conclusion you came to though. certainly big pairs do this, but i think midpairs do too.. i'm almost certainly raising the flop, if i didnt push preflop.
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Old 11-04-2005, 06:27 PM
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Why do you call the re-raise putting half your stack and don't call a flop that hits you???

You had to push...
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Old 11-04-2005, 06:36 PM
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your thought process is on the right line IMO but as it was suggested,when you called his reraise,what were you hoping to flop?
you reasoned that you folded cuz the raise meant AA,KK,QQ or AK and you could only chop with AK ,but you knew all of this before you called the raised ,so what were you hoping to flop?
if his table image and the way he has been playing made you narrow his reraising hands that much then you should have folded preflop...
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Old 11-04-2005, 06:39 PM
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Great question, one I asked myself at the time. With 2000 in the pot and 600 to go I figured I was getting almost 4 to 1 to call with a pretty strong hand.

Once the flop hit I went through the possiblities and just acted on my gut feelings. The bet of 500 after raising 600 pre-flop just seemed like a trap. I had no real information, but had seen him play a couple of hands and listened to some of his conversation that led me to believe he was a fairly good player who was trying to extract money out of me.
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Old 11-04-2005, 06:47 PM
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your thought process is on the right line IMO but as it was suggested,when you called his reraise,what were you hoping to flop?
you reasoned that you folded cuz the raise meant AA,KK,QQ or AK and you could only chop with AK ,but you knew all of this before you called the raised ,so what were you hoping to flop?
if his table image and the way he has been playing made you narrow his reraising hands that much then you should have folded preflop...

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Again, great question. I really hoped that the flop contained some clubs and only an A or K with some rags I guess. Then I figure to have QQ beat and if it's an A on the flop I can beat KK and probably rule out AA as his possible hand.

Believe me, it seemed like a bad decision to fold to me too and one I struggled with, but sometimes you just get a bad feeling and go with it.
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Old 11-04-2005, 06:51 PM
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If you only think your opponent will make that play with those hands, I see no reason to call the re-raise. Going by your thought process you should have folded it when he re-raised, but that's another story.

Don't show people your hands when you fold. You gain nothing by it, you just give your opponents information.

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Old 11-04-2005, 08:55 PM
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Don't show people your hands when you fold. You gain nothing by it, you just give your opponents information.

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Unless you want them to think that you are weak, so that they'll play their weak hands stronger when you are holding a strong hand.

That has little value at this stage of the tournament, though.

To the OP: Since you called pre-flop, you have to push this flop if you're going to call pre-flop.

Don't ever call preflop just thinking "I'm getting great odds". Call preflop when you have odds AND an actual plan as to how you will further play the hand. Otherwise you are just bleeding chips.

By the way, villain in this hand may indeed be a good player, but if he thinks you are a donkey (as your read of his betting pattern suggests he thinks this way), he could well be trying to value bet with hands you crush.
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