I fall for the Triple

[Surfbullet]

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I think this is why I struggle with the 10/20 game sometimes, I need to improve my ability to determine when players are shifting gears against me, because even the losers in the game have an arsenal of tricky moves.

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Indeed. Hand reading is critical at 10/20. Additionally, I find it's been very helpful to ask myself the simple question "what does my opponent want me to do by doing 'X' "

Where X is:
-donkbetting the turn
-checkraising me 3 streets in a row

etc.

I call more when I think he wants me to fold, and fold more when I think he wants me to call. This usually works well, especially when we take into consideration recent hands against these semi-thinking LAGs.

Surf

[MrFeelNothin]

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I think this is why I struggle with the 10/20 game sometimes, I need to improve my ability to determine when players are shifting gears against me, because even the losers in the game have an arsenal of tricky moves.

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Indeed. Hand reading is critical at 10/20. Additionally, I find it's been very helpful to ask myself the simple question "what does my opponent want me to do by doing 'X' "

Where X is:
-donkbetting the turn
-checkraising me 3 streets in a row

etc.

I call more when I think he wants me to fold, and fold more when I think he wants me to call. This usually works well, especially when we take into consideration recent hands against these semi-thinking LAGs.

Surf

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That is a very concise and effective summation of third-level thinking. Me likee.

Thanks Surf.

[wildwood]

This is not a comment on your hand, but I thought it would be useful. It's from "Harrington on Hold'em" volume 1.
From pg 98
"make sure you pay attention to the most important player at the table - yourself.
1. How many hands have I been playing?
2. What hands have I actually shown down?
3. What would a keen observer think about me at this point?
Just because you're trying to play in a certain way doesn't mean you'll be perceived that way. The perception around the table may be quite different."

This section was very revealing to me when I first read it. Now I tend to think about "how do my opponents perceive me based on the way I've played my last 3 or 4 hands?"

[irishpint]

maybe you are just a fish brian?

so this was my thought. If we call the flop c/r why not 3 bet the turn? MP called 2 first time around, so we assume he'll call the next 1 (or 2, if it is capped by our villian). If you feel like he is playing different against you, make a stand with this hand. I figure if we're capped on the turn then we can call a river bet from him or check behind, if we're so inclined (and have the option). With MP in the hand, isn't a turn raise for value? If villian just calls our 3 bet, then I think we can lead the river w/out too much fear of a river c/r.

One thing to take into consideration is villian's PF raise #s. Anything worth playing is worth raising, to him. That means lower PP, JTs, QTs, etc. Especially if he is singling you out, would we expect him to have a wider range of capping hands than JJ-AA, AK? Maybe building a pot with something suited?