How much respect do I give this guy?

[pete fabrizio]

*sigh*

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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5/10 live game at the casino morongo.
UTG is a supertight old player who has only pushed in twice, once with a set on the turn and the other time with a nut flush. I've seen him play K10 suited for a decent pot, but only with position and he doesn't even raise with QQ in MP preflop. Button is just a complete idiot-he's called my reraise for $200 preflop with A5 suited and puts in a small raise on the button every hand.
UTG has $1000, Button has $4000, I have $3300.
I'm dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the big blind. UTG limps. Folded to the button who makes it 25. I call, UTG calls.
Flop comes down K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I check, UTG bets 35, Button calls. I raise to $135. UTG and button call.
Turn comes K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I bet out for $120, two callers.
River comes 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
At this point, I'm worried about what UTG could have so I check. I check, he immediately moves all-in for $720. Button folds. Do I call or fold in this spot?

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The only reason to check this river is if you intend to call. I hope you didn't fold, I'm pretty sure this is a "damn, that guy who I thought was tight all night pulled some stupid [censored]."

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Nah, I checked because that guy sticking in the pot made me doubt I was good. Everybody at the table was talking about how they were shocked he only had a weak king and they all assumed he was full. If it makes you feel better, I ended up taking his stack with a set versus a severe overplay of AA.

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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*sigh*

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I try to only post hands that I think I played badly enough to elicit this response...they can't all be gems right? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[joshgill17]

I don't play these limits but I think you needed to bet about 250-300 on the river with intentions of folding to an all in. You will probably see K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]X [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] here but A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and 99 look like real possibilites.

[xorbie]

It's tough to say what UTG has given his tiny flop bet and then just smooth calling the rest of the way. Seems like 99/44 is the most likely hand.

Also, I'm wondering why you check/raised the flop? Was this just for deception?

[LuvDemNutz]

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i would have bet 250 or so on the river into him, as he will just call with a weaker K if your hand is good.

he could have flopped a set and looked to jam the turn to out-price the diamond draw, but he managed to fill up and wanted the idiot button to come along and pay him off on the river.

2-1 on your call isn't enough here to make the crying call i dont think, as i expect your hand to be good a far less time than that.

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All of this sounds right to me.

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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Also, I'm wondering why you check/raised the flop? Was this just for deception?

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This has already been covered-thought I could push off the tight player and get it heads up against button, who I thought I was beating.

[ggbman]

How tight could UTG be limping with K3? I know it's been said, but i think a blocking bet is key here on the river.

[nokona13]

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5/10 live game at the casino morongo.
UTG is a supertight old player who has only pushed in twice, once with a set on the turn and the other time with a nut flush. I've seen him play K10 suited for a decent pot, but only with position and he doesn't even raise with QQ in MP preflop. Button is just a complete idiot-he's called my reraise for $200 preflop with A5 suited and puts in a small raise on the button every hand.
UTG has $1000, Button has $4000, I have $3300.
I'm dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the big blind. UTG limps. Folded to the button who makes it 25. I call, UTG calls.
Flop comes down K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I check, UTG bets 35, Button calls. I raise to $135. UTG and button call.
Turn comes K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I bet out for $120, two callers.
River comes 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
At this point, I'm worried about what UTG could have so I check. I check, he immediately moves all-in for $720. Button folds. Do I call or fold in this spot?

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The only reason to check this river is if you intend to call. I hope you didn't fold, I'm pretty sure this is a "damn, that guy who I thought was tight all night pulled some stupid [censored]."

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Nah, I checked because that guy sticking in the pot made me doubt I was good. Everybody at the table was talking about how they were shocked he only had a weak king and they all assumed he was full. If it makes you feel better, I ended up taking his stack with a set versus a severe overplay of AA.

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Nice... Isn't sweet when you get your money back from a monkey who only had it because of one of your own mistakes?

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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How tight could UTG be limping with K3? I know it's been said, but i think a blocking bet is key here on the river.

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Block bet, as in bet 200 and fold for ~400 more? Or block bet then call? The first option seems terrible and the second is odd because if he's got a raising hand he's got a calling hand so I might as well bet to make sure that a worse K doesn't check behind...I would appreciate if you attached a $ amount to the words "block bet".
As for the K3 limp not making him tight, needless to say everybody was shocked. The guy was a rock.