Unusual AKo hand, 30-60

Josh W · #1 11-11-2005, 03:18 AM

This just happened, and my mind was doing summersaults whilst the hand went down.

UTG (38/14) limps, Hijack raises (unknown), and button (27/12) threebets. SB mucks, and I call in the BB w/ AdKc. Four of us see the flop.

Flop comes 962, two hearts. I lead out. Yeah, I know this is hugely debatable, and maybe even flat out wrong. I'm trying right now to set myself up to win vs. another AK instead of chopping. Plus if UTG has a hand like QJ, I want him OUT. Da Soona Da Betta.

Instead, UTG raises, HJ and Button call two cold, and I call, wondering what I'm doing here.

Turn is an offsuit ten. I check, and it gets checked around. Weird. Maybe UTG has hearts, and I'm really ahead here.

River is an offsuit ace.

I check and start licking my chops, thinking the button 3-bettor will bet his AQ and I can checkraise and do a little dance. But, alas, visions of me dancing get thwarted by UTG betting again.

Now, it's true that he may have Axh, so I guess I'm going to call him.

Hijack calls.

Button calls.

So I muck.

Comments?

Josh

bpb · #2 11-11-2005, 03:39 AM

I don't see how the hijack and button overcalls affect your decision to call the UTG bettor. Given that the turn was checked around, don't you think one of them would raise the river if they could beat TPTK?

I think folding here at 13:1 is awful

tongni · #3 11-11-2005, 03:51 AM

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You misspelled checkraise.

TStoneMBD · #4 11-11-2005, 07:19 AM

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So I muck.

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You misspelled checkraise.

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well put. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] i also like a checkraise/fold to 3bet line. with 3 players you have alot of equity and i dont know why you think a call doesnt have value, but since you think folding might be correct of course checkraising wouldnt be. so one of us is really confused by the value of our hand here.

WillyTrailer · #5 11-11-2005, 04:54 AM

Hi Josh,

I'd be much obliged if you would explain why you mucked on the river?

thanks,
WT

obi---one · #6 11-11-2005, 07:01 AM

bad muck josh.

Cancuk · #7 11-11-2005, 12:20 PM

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Hi Josh,

I'd be much obliged if you would explain why you mucked on the river?

thanks,
WT

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Sorry for the hijack...awesome avatar.

Brom · #8 11-11-2005, 11:30 AM

Even if you don't checkraise, at least call here. By just overcalling, the other two players are pretty much assuring you that they don't have you beat. This is the best/2nd best card in the deck that could have came off for you, and you played your hand to get into this position.

Josh W · #9 11-11-2005, 12:20 PM

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This is sorta true.

It's true that preflop (or even on the flop), I'd say "heck, the ace of purple horseshoes would sure be a splendid card right about now". No doubt.

However, by the time the river bet came around to me, three (not one or two, but THREE) opponents liked their chances of winning with that ace out there.

In fact, this could be THE WORST card in the deck for me. It's kinda like when you have QJh on a QJT9 (with the T9 of hearts) board. The betting is capped threeways on the flop and turn. The river is a king. THere's a bet and a call to you. Do you call or muck? Well, with a huge pot, you quite often call, right?

You get shown AK, and lose an extra bet. The King on the river made you call. It was a bad card for you, it cost you a bet. If it had been the 2c, it would have been a much better card for you.

Three people (besides me) thought that they could win with that ace out there. This means that three people (including me) thought that they could win with that ace out there.

Josh

elindauer · #10 11-13-2005, 08:26 PM

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Three people (besides me) thought that they could win with that ace out there. This means that three people (including me) thought that they could win with that ace out there.

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This isn't quite what happened. A better description goes like this:

- 1 guy thought he could bet and drag the pot
- a 2nd guy thought he might sometimes win a showdown against a guy who thought he could bet and drag the pot
- a 3rd guy thought he might sometimes win a showdown against the 1st 2

Now, it's on you. They didn't all look at each other, have a discussion, all come to the conclussion that they had the best hand, and all value bet together, which seems to be what you'd have to assume to put them all on top pair or better.

-eric