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11-08-2005, 04:43 PM
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Re: Bartolo Colon Wins AL Cy Young
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[ QUOTE ] You do realize that Rodriguez had more saves than Rivera right? [/ QUOTE ] this doesn't mean much to me [/ QUOTE ] just like wins shouldn't matter as much as they do in the cy young voting 
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11-08-2005, 04:54 PM
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Re: Bartolo Colon Wins AL Cy Young
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[ QUOTE ] Also you didnt give a reason why Rivera should win? He didnt have the most saves? Because he is a Yankee is not a reason. [/ QUOTE ] Just for what he did for his team. The bullpen was so weak, and the starting pitching was unreliable for the first 1/2+, and when he came in, you knew he was going to get the job done. [/ QUOTE ] The Yankee bias is strong in this one. Rivera pitches for 1 stinkin innning. The Yankees are usually winning at the time. He wasnt perfect. Thats why he doesnt deserve it. In order for a closer to win it he has to be perfect, he was not perfect. I could even argue Rodriguez was a better closer. He had more saves no? You guys are saying he should have won the Cy Young when he wasnt even the best closer? Also Wins could be questioned when it comes to starting pitching because of the run support. They can be great pitchers with great ERA and not win because they keep losing 2-1 games like Clemens. Saves cannot be ignored because its what closers do. Its the whole point of them being out there. If they dont save games everything else is worthless. They cant complain that run support wasnt there because if they werent winning it wouldnt be a save situation.
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11-08-2005, 05:02 PM
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Re: Bartolo Colon Wins AL Cy Young
It should have been Santana or Buerhle and both are far greater choices then Rivera, or Colon.
Puzzling choice really but not all that surprising since the voters love wins.
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11-08-2005, 05:05 PM
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Re: Bartolo Colon Wins AL Cy Young
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also you didnt give a reason why Rivera should win? He didnt have the most saves? Because he is a Yankee is not a reason. [/ QUOTE ] Just for what he did for his team. The bullpen was so weak, and the starting pitching was unreliable for the first 1/2+, and when he came in, you knew he was going to get the job done. [/ QUOTE ] The Yankee bias is strong in this one. Rivera pitches for 1 stinkin innning. The Yankees are usually winning at the time. He wasnt perfect. Thats why he doesnt deserve it. In order for a closer to win it he has to be perfect, he was not perfect. I could even argue Rodriguez was a better closer. He had more saves no? You guys are saying he should have won the Cy Young when he wasnt even the best closer? Also Wins could be questioned when it comes to starting pitching because of the run support. They can be great pitchers with great ERA and not win because they keep losing 2-1 games like Clemens. Saves cannot be ignored because its what closers do. Its the whole point of them being out there. If they dont save games everything else is worthless. They cant complain that run support wasnt there because if they werent winning it wouldnt be a save situation. [/ QUOTE ] K-Rod, 66 G, 45 S, 5 BS, 2.67 ERA Rivera, 71 G, 43 S, 4 BS, 1.38 ERA
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11-08-2005, 05:07 PM
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Re: Bartolo Colon Wins AL Cy Young
How can you possibly argue that Rodriguez is a better closer? I'm really interested to hear how. Saves are a pretty useless stat, and even so Rodriguez only has 2 more than Rivera.
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