Pros in high limit games on Full Tilt

[Charon]

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I was wondering what you guys think about pros playing in the big games on Full Tilt (100/200, 25/50NL). IMO they are generally hurting the game.



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I don't think so.


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I was referring to WELL playing pros. There are enough pros on Full Tilt I'd love to play 100/200 and up with. But unfortunately, these pros only play the game very rarely. And when they do play, the game actually tends to fill up. So, I was not referring to them.

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People playing 100/200 mostly aren't doing it to get the thrill of playing against really good players. They are there to make money. Now if a good limit playing pro sits down (like d'agostino, ivey etc), this would not benefit that perspective. I've seen it often enough that a 100/200 was going between two 'unknowns', then a well playing pro sits down, and the game dies within minutes. So, the pro, who should be benefitting Full Tilt is actually hurting them.



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This is also not true.


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I wonder where you base this on. I've played this game on FT since it started, so I think I can make a fair judgement whether the game dies or fills up. Also, if you where referring to the two pros I named as a benefit in your game, then I'm either very impressed with your game or you have to reconsider how you value your opponents.

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When you play in high stakes games, you have to play against other pros, especially on the internet.

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I know this. That's why I said "and often enough the players playing these limits have already played against many pros anyways." But the FT game is really not comparable to the average pokerstars 1/2 game. It can be a lot lot softer, especially when people are taking shots (which happens quite frequently).

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Frankly, you'd be surprised at how many of these "name" pros play in ring games. Many have steaming problems, some don't adjust as well to changing game conditions, and some actually play very well. Really, there's no difference between playing these guys and anyone else. I know, because I play these games.


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As said, I have played against almost all the well known pros, and would gladly play against many of them. But to say you would like to play against Ivey or D'agostino (the two who are mainly playing the big games on FT) is just folly.

[J.A.Sucker]

I didn't specify any particular pros that I would like to play against. I merely stated that there are some out there that make the game worth playing. Also, there are times when the house pros attract others who want to play with them, and this makes for good opportunities. Even if the house pro is a top one, like Ivey, it doesn't matter because the others are just throwing their money away. That's all.

The nice thing about the internet is that there is no effort required to play at various sites. Just log on and check if the game is good. If it's good, play. If not, look somewhere else.

[Charon]

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Just log on and check if the game is good. If it's good, play. If not, look somewhere else.

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And that's exactly what I'm doing if guys like Ivey sit down. See, you proved my point.

[DeezNutz3]

I've witnessed Ivey playing less than optimal in the 1/2 2/4 on FT on a number of occasions. Him playing much lower than he is used to I would believe to make the game better. He even stated that it was hard for him to stay serious in comparison of his "normal" game limits.

[Charon]

Yes, thats how it started. He was playing almost maniacal in the beginning. And I did play him at the time. But I think he lost too much and began taking it seriously. And now I DONT want him at my table anymore ;-)